I've received the PCN in London

Okell

Will123321 said:

Okell said:

Will123321 said:

Okell said:

kempiejon said:

I hate getting caught. It breaks the 11th commandment.

It's a few years since I lived in London but isn't it prohibited to park on the pavement red routes not withstanding?
What does that sign mean though?

It is prohibited unless the council has passed an order permitting it.

On this street there are marked bays where you can park with a sign showing that you can park on the pavement.

216 A297 - Google Maps

The sign you are asking about is outside the marked bays and means you can't park on the pavement outside the bays.

Whether the OP has a case or not probably depends on whather the signage is accurately located so as to correctly correspond to the parts of St Helier Avenue where the council has disapplied the ban on pavement parking.  Or a technical error on the ticket.

As already suggested OP needs to go to FTLA

So what you'd suggest, to appeal? 

Nothing has happened that you can appeal yet.  What you want to do is to make informal representations against the PCN to TFL.

But a far better idea is to do what @Elsien suggested and post your query on Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) (ftla.uk)

And before posting read this  READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, This section is for council, TFL, Dart/Mersey/Tyne etc. cases (ftla.uk) and follow the instructions

What do you mean by making informal representations against the PCN to TFL? 

You've already posted on FTLA.  Let them guide you

LightFlare

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

Will123321

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

born_again

Will123321 said:

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

To be honest what help did you think you would get?
It's not like you parked in a grey are where there were no signs' double red lines etc.

Helpful advice was in 5th reply. Pay the fine before the 14 days are up.

user1977

Will123321 said:

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

It sounded from your original post like you didn't understand/accept why you had got the ticket, hence people trying to explain it to you. If all you were looking for were unlikely loopholes, you should have said that.

soolin

born_again said:

Will123321 said:

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

To be honest what help did you think you would get?
It's not like you parked in a grey are where there were no signs' double red lines etc.

Helpful advice was in 5th reply. Pay the fine before the 14 days are up.

The really useful bit of  advice is your last line and one that OP needs to be mindful of.  OP, don't lose sight of the time frame for payment in which you receive the discount., regardless of your thinking in this matter the clock for that discounted window doesn't stop.

Goudy

kempiejon said:

Okell said:

It is prohibited unless the council has passed an order permitting it.

Ah, ta. I did not know that about de-restricting pavement parking. It's a bug bear of mine, they all do it round here, old mum has a wheel chair and I hate to see her bumping up and down kerbs and riding in the road.

Just like anyone trying to cross the road where you parked?

The parking bays breaks where you parked for a crossing.
That's a dropped kerb you are parked on.

183 St Helier Ave - Google Maps

Okell

Will123321 said:

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

On the contrary.  At least two posters on this forum directed you to the FTLA forum where they have suggested a defence to you based on the grounds that the signage is not compliant and is confusing. 

PCN by tfl police (ftla.uk)

Don't be ungrateful.  It's not a good look.

Nasqueron

kempiejon said:

Okell said:

It is prohibited unless the council has passed an order permitting it.

Ah, ta. I did not know that about de-restricting pavement parking. It's a bug bear of mine, they all do it round here, old mum has a wheel chair and I hate to see her bumping up and down kerbs and riding in the road.

I'm fairly sure a lot of these cars are "accidentally" scratched by wheelchairs etc by people not wanting to risk their lives in the road

elsien

Okell said:

Will123321 said:

LightFlare said:

Will123321 said:

daveyjp said:

The no stopping area outside of the marked bays extends to the back of the adopted highway, which  is probably where the bushes are.

Your only defence is to prove the area you were ticketed isn't adopted highway.

Yes, I have parked on that area for drop off, when came back the office already issues a ticket. 

How can I do that?

Forgot to attach this one as well 

What do you think this sign means ?

Will123321 said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

You stopped on double reds to allow a passenger to alight. You're bang to rights. That's the difference between red and yellow lines.

Page two.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/560aa6c7ed915d035900001a/the-highway-code-road-markings.pdf

or expand the "Along the side of the carriageway" section.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-markings

There is no appeal, because you did what is explicitly prohibited. Pay the penalty, and don't do it again.

You're comment is not really helpful. Please find the photo where I have parked 

Its factual though

I am aware of that. That's why I have decided to post and ask for advice. No need for trolls to tell me already what I know. Seems this forums isn't really helpful. 

On the contrary.  At least two posters on this forum directed you to the FTLA forum where they have suggested a defence to you based on the grounds that the signage is not compliant and is confusing. 

PCN by tfl police (ftla.uk)

Don't be ungrateful.  It's not a good look.

Post 4, to be precise.  I had started to wonder if I was talking to myself.