Not allowed access to remove my motorcycles to fetch them from my family home :-(

Greguk123

kempiejon said:

Well you've not really needed the bikes for 20 years so it doesn't sound to me like they are the real problem.  I think the fear of what the cops might do is unwarranted but forceful or deceitful possession of the bikes is misplaced focus.

Sounds like mum's in a bind and you're frustrated. As mum needs more care you'll find yourself cut off from her. Does this sound like coercive control? X decides who mum sees when and where, and mum capitulates. Perhaps there's an organisation that can help? This might be escalated to a safeguarding issue and if not social services I know Age Concern would be a place to get external help.

https://www.ageuk.org.uk/cymru/our-work/safeguarding/what-is-adult-safeguarding/

kempiejon said:

Well you've not really needed the bikes for 20 years so it doesn't sound to me like they are the real problem.  I think the fear of what the cops might do is unwarranted but forceful or deceitful possession of the bikes is misplaced focus.

Sounds like mum's in a bind and you're frustrated. As mum needs more care you'll find yourself cut off from her. Does this sound like coercive control? X decides who mum sees when and where, and mum capitulates. Perhaps there's an organisation that can help? This might be escalated to a safeguarding issue and if not social services I know Age Concern would be a place to get external help.

http/www.ageuk.org.uk/cymru/our-work/safeguarding/what-is-adult-safeguarding/

Thank you I will look at that, this post is about me getting my bikes back though, I have wanted them back for a while a bit like your fathers medals I may not have needed them in daily life but they are important to me.  Plus restoration is planned for this autumn so I can ride them next year

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Browntoa said:

I suspect that as a low level crime it's unlikely that the police would attend in a rush 

I'd turn up with a couple of friends to provide security but not to issue threats to X , maybe get one of them to film the whole event to prove that you have solely accessed your mother's property to access your personal items , have caused no damage and then left quietly and peacefully once that was done . Would also come in useful to show the police if they did happen to attend 

That is what most of my trusted friends say, thank you

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outtatune said:

Are you paying rent or storage fees? Why are your bikes there?
My spidey sense is telling me that there's something you're not letting on about this.

I don't pay for storage in a falling down shed in the house I grew up and lived in lol, though actually I did offer but my mum was offended saying it's my family home.  What else can I tell you, what would you like to know?

X has fallen out with all her historic friends and all but maybe 2 members of the family and say mum has ruined her life.  I'm sure there are things I have done to upset her but I'm just one of many on the receiving end.  Probably not helped because I do not hate our 11 years late father but X does and he has been clear that I should erase him from history and one of the bikes I bought with him.  I suspect she knows that and won't want me to have it back as it's connected to him.  I believe she has binned everything he gave her and often says she has no memory of him, other times describing him in detail as evil.

I don't know what else.  Oh yes I left home and got married (and divorced!), she still lives at home, I'm not sure if she resents that but can't help her choices.

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TELLIT01 said:

The OP refers to 'bikes' are these motorbikes or pedal cycles?  If motorbikes just make sure they have the relevant V5s with them when they go to retrieve them.  If the brother calls the police that will show they are the property of the OP.

Motorcycles, I have the V5s though technically that just shows the keeper and is not proof of ownership

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ThisIsWeird said:

Value, and principle.

Yes, the latter is often abused as a reason to act, but assuming what we are being told is a largely accurate account, then it looks as tho' X needs tackling for more than just these bikes. If X gets away with something as bizarre and straight-forward as scuppering the OP's wish to have their bikes back, then lawd knows what else is going on. 

It sounds like quite a large degree of 'control' is being wielded, and I cannot think of a good reason why they'd be doing this.

I think Vacheron's post is useful - you need evidence, evidence, and then - ideally - more evidence.

Give X enough rope.

That's probably right, but my mum will never say.  There is little I can do while that's her choice.

Greguk123

Nobbie1967 said:

Does your mother ever go for hospital treatment? Assuming your sibling takes them this might be an idea time to retrieve your bikes. Need to have the right tools all ready to make the job as quick as possible as you don’t really want to still be there when they come back. Maybe enlist the help of a friend to speed things up. yEasier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

Yes, that's possible though I don't live in the same city, am ill with kidney failure and jX has installed cameras so not so easy as it appears

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vacheron said:

Do you have any evidence to prove that X acknowledges that the bikes are yours. Say a text asking if "I can come and collect MY bikes" and a reply saying "No you can't".... but not contesting ownership?

If not, it might be worth orchestrating such a conversation so that you at least have evidence that you have requested to retrieve your property and been denied. 

Theft is defined by section 1 of the Theft Act 1968 as "The dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another with the intention to permanently deprive the other of it".

You could then confidently inform X of this and that while you don't want to get the police involved and criminal charges raised against them (for the sake of your mum), you will be left with no option should their actions continue.

From my mum yes, not from X but in both cases the ownership has not  been disputed, just not being allowed to get them

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Sea_Shell said:

I assume these are pushbikes.   They've been in the shed unneeded for 20 years.   How much are they worth, realistically?    High spec or bog standard? 

It is really worth the aggro to get them back?   Why now?

What is due to happen to the house,  after mum passes?

If you're due to inherit a share,  it sounds like you'll have more problems than a couple of bikes.   Sadly. 

Motorcycles, classic so worth some money but it's the teenage memories and my dad's involvement that make they irreplaceable.

Now because I am just about well enough again and previously always had access and regular visits, I feel the window of opportunity is closing.

The house is held off repossession due to my mums illness, X has no stake so I presume the mortgage lender will evict her and repossess it when my mum passes

There will be no inheritance for me.  But I have my bikes...

Sea_Shell

If mum or X won't give you permission to enter the property grounds and gain access to the bikes, and would call the police to have you removed for trespass, then it sounds like your only option is to get a court order. 

Even then, it sounds like you'd need professional help to actually execute it.   Private bailiffs? 


Sadly, many of these family issues boil down to how many £££ you're willing to throw at the situation.   Even sentiment has a price, ultimately. 

Greguk123

Sea_Shell said:

If mum or X won't give you permission to enter the property grounds and gain access to the bikes, and would call the police to have you removed for trespass, then it sounds like your only option is to get a court order. 

Even then, it sounds like you'd need professional help to actually execute it.   Private bailiffs? 


Sadly, many of these family issues boil down to how many £££ you're willing to throw at the situation.   Even sentiment has a price, ultimately. 

Thanks, I'll think on it all