Unfair CEL PCN?

ugwaraich

KeithP said:

ugwaraich said:

KeithP said:

ugwaraich said:

1) I have not declared the name of the driver.
2) I want to appeal to POPLA on the ground that the driver actually paid for the parking duration which is said to be 2 hours on the signage, and the PCN clearly states that the car was parked for less than 2 hours but the trouble here is that the driver paid for parking through phoneandpay app. The app receipt shows the keeper name and address for the payment. So by using that receipt will I be shooting myself in the foot by not naming the driver but my name being on the online receipt?

Does the vehicle have more than one seat in it?

Could it be that the passenger paid for the parking using the app?

The app receipt actually shows the name, payment card details and address of the payee, so not sure if that is going to fly. Any more ideas?

Of course it does, but it doesn't say that the person paying was the driver, does it?

Oh yes got the point now. Thanks a bunch. I will use passive voice/statements.

Other than that is there anything else I should take on board? do I have any other grounds in anyones opinion here?

KeithP

ugwaraich said:

Coupon-mad said:

I don't understand.  "Payee" means the party receiving the money, not the payer. 

But I think you are missing the point. Think about what @KeithP meant...

sorry my bad, I meant the payer.

I understand what @KeithP meant but what if the receipt is provided to POPLA as part of appeal and that proves otherwise?

Proves otherwise??

But there is absolutely no way that a receipt can identify the driver.
How on earth can that possibly happen?

Coupon-mad

I'm unsure why you are trying to hide who was driving, given the fact that I don't think you've told us if the NTK is even POFA worded or not. So it may not even matter.

Please don't show us the NTK (seen them all before!).  Instead, read the Newbies thread and tell us whether your NTK matches the CEL 'POFA worded' picture or the non-POFA picture in the linked NTK pictures thread there..

ugwaraich

Coupon-mad said:

I'm unsure why you are trying to hide who was driving, given the fact that I don't think you've told us if the NTK is even POFA worded or not. So it may not even matter.

Please don't show us the NTK (seen them all before!).  Instead, read the Newbies thread and tell us whether your NTK matches the CEL 'POFA worded' picture or the non-POFA picture in the linked NTK pictures thread there..

@Coupon-mad, thank you for your response, much appreciated.

The only reason for me not confirming who was the driver was because I read the newbie thread and it says that no matter what do not confirm who the driver was...From @The_Slithy_Tove explanation in this link:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/69906180#Comment_69906180

Regarding the images of the PCN, I already looked at the images provided in the Newbies thread in the following link:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80420159/#Comment_80420159

The problem here is that the PCN I have does not match with the POFA/Non-POFA version images like for like. To me the PCN I have looks more like a PoFA version (with images), parts of it match with PoFA and partly it looks like Non-PoFA so not sure how I can confirm if it is a PoFA/Non-PoFA.

I am just looking for assurance that should I only appeal on the basis of the parking that I already paid to cover for the duration and present them with the parking receipt or I should look for other grounds to appeal to POPLA and if so then what other options are available?

Coupon-mad

Ok in that case show us both sides!

Redact QR Codes as well as your data.

ugwaraich

Coupon-mad said:

Ok in that case show us both sides!

Redact QR Codes as well as your data.

ok please see below the redacted copy of the PCN. Also just FYI, the car park land belongs to the council but it is used by a Leisure Centre members mainly and it is also a public car park. So I tried Plan A and I spoke to the Leisure Centre and they said that they cannot do anything as they can only defend cases for the members. They also mentioned that even if you complain to council they will redirect your complain to us and we will not be able to take it further. They said the best way is to appeal to CEL as I already have proof of purchase. So I appealed and that got rejected and now I am thinking of appealing to POPLA.

Coupon-mad

I would say it's POFA compliant but you've covered up all the dates!

ugwaraich

Coupon-mad said:

I would say it's POFA compliant but you've covered up all the dates!

ok you should have the partially redacted pcn now. Thanks

Coupon-mad

So it is POFA compliant on dates (unless the envelope shows it was posted second class, but even if you kept it, I doubt it discloses it).

So appeal to POPLA and admit to driving, if it was you.  With a POFA notice there's no point hiding that.

ugwaraich

Coupon-mad said:

So it is POFA compliant on dates (unless the envelope shows it was posted second class, but even if you kept it, I doubt it discloses it).

So appeal to POPLA and admit to driving, if it was you.  With a POFA notice there's no point hiding that.

Thank you, I shall do that.

Do you see any other grounds that I should be using in my appeal? or simply say that I paid for it?