Where is best place to put sockets for washing machine and dish washer?

blackstar

Hi all

Just wondering where would be the best place to put sockets for washing machine and dishwasher as want to have them away for any water or water splashes.
Don't want them under the kitchen sink.
The washing machine and dishwasher will go where the chair is (yes we are expanding the area there)
Please see picture and any advice appreciated 

GrumpyDil

If you are doing a full refit then I would wire them via switches on the worktop to sockets on the wall behind where the appliances are going. 

blackstar

Yes a full rewire but will not be getting the dishwasher and the washing machine until after the full rewire though? So guess that would be having to get the eletrican back out?

pmartin86

blackstar said:

Yes a full rewire but will not be getting the dishwasher and the washing machine until after the full rewire though? So guess that would be having to get the eletrican back out?

You just need to put the sockets under the counter, and the switches above. This can be done well in advance

blackstar

Does a double socket with a dish washer in one socket and the washing machine in the other have the power in the sockets will be enough?

Overall, the average dishwasher consumes between 1.2kWh and 1.5kWh per load

The average washing machine is 2,100 watts, which is equal to 2.1 kWh

So if we have the washing machine plugged into the double socket and the dishwasher plugged into the other socket is that OK? If not what should we do socket wise?

As they both need to be next to eaxhother as connected to the pipes under sink.

We are getting a full rewire starting today so final chance to make sure things are right. 

what other options are there?

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blackstar

I read

"DON’T use the washing machine and dishwasher at the same time as the loading will be more than 16 amps."

I also read that a solution is to install 2 single sockets rather than a double socket? Would this prevent power overload? But isn't it still on the same circuit? Just different sockets? 

blackstar

Thanks all

How about this?

I'll buy two of these

https://www.screwfix.com/p/british-general-ip66-13a-1-gang-dp-weatherproof-outdoor-switched-socket/35096

And ask the sparky to install them on different circuits and place them under counter in the best possible positions.

Would thus be a decent compromise?

Are those sockets decent enough?

casper_gutman

Waterproof sockets aren't normally used, but I don't suppose it would do any harm (other than wasting money).

You would still need a switch above the counter to isolate the appliance though. If a machine is malfunctioning (in an extreme case, perhaps on fire) you don't want to have to pull it out to get to the socket before you can disconnect it!

blackstar

casper_gutman said:

Waterproof sockets aren't normally used, but I don't suppose it would do any harm (other than wasting money).

You would still need a switch above the counter to isolate the appliance though. If a machine is malfunctioning (in an extreme case, perhaps on fire) you don't want to have to pull it out to get to the socket before you can disconnect it!

Yes I could ask him to put an isolator switch above the counter too. Or I could just turn off the isolators in the CU if something happened?

Keep_pedalling

blackstar said:

I read

"DON’T use the washing machine and dishwasher at the same time as the loading will be more than 16 amps."

I also read that a solution is to install 2 single sockets rather than a double socket? Would this prevent power overload? But isn't it still on the same circuit? Just different sockets? 

Not a problem with a nice new radial circuit with 32A breaker. 

ThisIsWeird

Hi Blackstar.
It might seem like a heavy load for one double socket, but it's no different to you plugging in a kettle in the kitchen whilst the WM is running - provided the kitchen is wired correctly. 
But, since you are doing this from scratch, do it properly - give each appliance its own single (unswitched) socket behind the space where it's going under the worktop, controlled by separate fused switches at a convenient position above the worktop. 
Looking at your pic, I'd say the most obviously suitable position for the FSUs would be under the existing switch and socket - that appears to be nicely away from the sink, but let your sparky confirm the regs to you.