Cost of calls package on FTTP line

iniltous

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

MouldyOldDough

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

JSmithy45AD

MouldyOldDough said:

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

You'll realise they're not wrong if you bother to read their entire post. Sooner or later copper pair will disappear as an option but not immediately that FTTP is available.

iniltous

Copper pairs will continue to be used after the PSTN switch off .
The  PSTN switch off is not linked  to the FTTP rollout  , if it were , millions of properties that  would not have FTTP after Jan 2027 , would have no access to BT telephony ,
the replacement for PSTN telephony is DV , that works on ADSL , FTTC, and they are copper pair based services, you continually demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about this subject , yet it doesn’t stop you making incorrect statements 

onomatopoeia99

MouldyOldDough said:

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

You are completely wrong.  Please don't make such confident assertions which actually have no basis in fact as they could mislead others reading this topic later.

MouldyOldDough

onomatopoeia99 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

You are completely wrong.  Please don't make such confident assertions which actually have no basis in fact as they could mislead others reading this topic later.

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/broadband/article/digital-voice-and-the-landline-phone-switch-off-what-it-means-for-you-aPSOH8k1i6Vv

BT has confirmed it will postpone the switch-off of all copper-based phone lines across the UK until 2027 — 13 month later than originally planned. The original deadline would see the biggest telecom providers move millions of customers from a traditional landline to a broadband-powered alternative by the end of next year — a major shake-up that a huge percentage of Britons aren't even aware is coming.

and many more - confirm what I am saying

Don't forget that every phone provider in the country, (except for Hull) is totally dependant on Openreach.

If you want to sit there and deny what is happening, then it's up to you - but don't try to phone anyone using your ancient analogue phone on new years day 2028 - because you will be unable to connect.

Your copper wires will have been removed

brewerdave

MouldyOldDough said:

onomatopoeia99 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

You are completely wrong.  Please don't make such confident assertions which actually have no basis in fact as they could mislead others reading this topic later.

Don't forget that every phone provider in the country, (except for Hull) is totally dependant on Openreach.

If you want to sit there and deny what is happening, then it's up to you - but don't try to phone anyone using your ancient analogue phone on new years day 2028 - because you will be unable to connect.

Your copper wires will have been removed

Not over the whole country - because not everywhere will have been provided with genuine full fibre connections by then - some areas will still be dependent on the "old" network for broadband and hence telephone services will still be provided via copper albeit using a VOIP style service, rather than PSTN.

onomatopoeia99

MouldyOldDough said:

onomatopoeia99 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

iniltous said:

Talk Talk don’t know what they are talking about then , unless  they have poorly explained the situation, that is once you have agreed to having FTTP installed ( so not forced upon are you , but you taking FTTP in the circumstances already explained, by simply wanting FTTP,  or recontracting with TT or migrating to a new provider ) then there is no going back onto FTTC /copper in those circumstances ..once the property has an Openreach ONT fitted , FTTP is then the default method of service.
The FTTP installer may well  remove the copper pair as it’s never going to be used again , ( once FTTP is fitted ) , but if you continue with TT on your current copper pair deal ( so  no recontracting ) then OR won’t visit have a reason to visit, unless it’s for a repair of the copper service , its pretty simple really.

Your claim that TT can continue to use copper connections is WRONG

Openreach say :

"BT has announced that it will be closing down the Public Switched Telephone Network (PSTN) on 31 January 2027."

This tells me that the WHOLE network - that's BT, Vodafone, Sky, TT etc will HAVE to be connected to FTTP by 31 Jan 2027 !

Copper pairs simply will no longer connect

You are completely wrong.  Please don't make such confident assertions which actually have no basis in fact as they could mislead others reading this topic later.

https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/broadband/article/digital-voice-and-the-landline-phone-switch-off-what-it-means-for-you-aPSOH8k1i6Vv

BT has confirmed it will postpone the switch-off of all copper-based phone lines across the UK until 2027 — 13 month later than originally planned. The original deadline would see the biggest telecom providers move millions of customers from a traditional landline to a broadband-powered alternative by the end of next year — a major shake-up that a huge percentage of Britons aren't even aware is coming.

and many more - confirm what I am saying

Don't forget that every phone provider in the country, (except for Hull) is totally dependant on Openreach.

If you want to sit there and deny what is happening, then it's up to you - but don't try to phone anyone using your ancient analogue phone on new years day 2028 - because you will be unable to connect.

Your copper wires will have been removed

Those quotes contradict nothing that I said.  You are still completely wrong.  HInt : you are conflating two different things, which were previously explained to you but you ignored.

But you carry on.