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Parking Charge Notice - 12 Minutes - Euro Parking Services - IPC - Appeal Rejected

Hi all,

Firstly, I have read the newbies thread - and previously won a case against Walton Wilkins T/A Premier Parking Logistics in 2021 thanks to the help on this forum. (They withdrew the day before the court hearing).

I have new issue now!

I received a Parking Charge Notice from Euro Parking Services, an IPC Accredited Operator. Very dark images are included showing the car arriving and leaving. It was night-time and raining at the time.

The PCN is a £60 charge for a 12 minute stay! The area is not a car park, rather a street outside some shops. Let us presume one stopped there to pick up their girlfriend (didn't leave the car) rather than waiting on the main road as there are multiple bus stops there. This seems like the safest and logical approach.

One didn't even realise this area had been turned into a charge-for-parking area. (night-time & raining)

LOCATION: https://maps.app.goo.gl/tmfETtUniSPKBrqS8

The newbies thread said to complain to the land owner, but as it's just a street I don't think there is one.

I know it also says there is no point appealing but I thought I'd give it a try and sent this:

THE APPEAL:

"Re PCN number: 1011344

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. Since your PCN is a vague template, I require an explanation of the allegation and your evidence. You must include a close up actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date as well as your images of the vehicle.

If the allegation concerns a PDT machine, the data supplied in response to this appeal must include the record of payments made - showing partial VRNs - and an explanation of the reason for the PCN, because your Notice does not explain it.

If the allegation involves an alleged overstay of minutes, your evidence must include the actual grace period agreed by the landowner.

Furthermore, the notice states an alleged duration of stay of 12 minutes! This is not a length of time of which one would park, and is surely the time taken to enter, find a space, find a sign, read the terms and decide whether to accept the terms, and leave."

THEIR RESPONSE:

Site: 58-76 Alcester Road
Issue date: 07/02/2024

We acknowledge receipt of your appeal (representations) received on 10/02/2024 in relation to the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN).

We have reviewed your appeal and in doing so, we took into account the representations that you made in support of your appeal as well as evidence which was submitted. We reached the decision that in this instance, the Parking Charge was issued correctly for the following reason(s).

As per the car park's terms and conditions, all vehicles must pay to park in this area. Unfortunately when the Parking Charge was issued a payment was not made for your vehicle. Your vehicle was left unattended on Private Property, therefore giving you no authorisation to park. There are sufficient signs in the car park warning motorist that should they park their vehicle without paying, it will result in a Parking Charge being issued to the vehicle.

Note, signs stating the terms and conditions of the car park are prominently displayed in and around the site and are obvious to any person who enters the site. It is incumbent upon motorists to read them. If they choose to ignore them then they submit to the terms nonetheless.

We are satisfied that the Parking Charge Notice was issued correctly and that sufficient attention was brought to the driver with regards to the terms and Conditions enforced. In light of the aforementioned, your appeal (representations) is rejected. We will not accept any further appeals. We have now extended the discounted payment period by 14 days to allow you time to pay the discounted settlement amount. Please now make payment of £60.00. We must advise you that once the discounted settlement rate passes it will not be offered again. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal, you will need your parking charge number, your vehicle registration and the date the charge was originally issued. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 21 days of the date of this letter. However, if you choose this option your Parking Charge will automatically increase to £100. Please visit www.theias.org for full details. Payment can be made using a debit or credit card by calling the automated payment line on 0845 121 0065 or online at www.europarkingservices.com. You may send a cheque or postal order made payable to Euro Parking Services Ltd. Please ensure you write your Parking Charge Notice number clearly on the reverse. Please do not send cash through the post. For our full Complaints Procedure please visit www.europarkingservices.com. Should you consider not making a payment, we must draw your attention to the landmark decision in the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, dated 4th November 2015, Parking Eye Ltd- v -Mr Barry Beavis. Further details on the case can be found at https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0116.html. This case was seen as an important 'test case' due to the complex legal arguments used by both sides. The ruling sets a legally binding precedent on all similar cases for the while of the United Kingdom. If a payment is not received by the above date we will commence court action to recover what you owe. This will include additional charges to include (but not limited to) legal and court costs. Should judgement be awarded in our favour, this may affect your ability to obtain credit in the future.

Yours sincerely,
Appeals Department Euro Parking Services Ltd

NEXT STEPS?

I guess now I just have to wait for the LOC?
Surely this amount of time does not constitute parking?
Is it fair to say they haven't actually provided evidence of me leaving the vehicle (which I didn't)
How is it possible to read their signs T&C's in 12 minutes?

Thanks all,
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Comments

  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 148,400 Forumite
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    Agreed.  You have a good case. Sit tight and come back if you get a solicitor's LBC.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Maybe this is one of those unusual cases where an appeal to the kangaroo court IAS service is worthwhile.  If an IAS appeal is successful, the PCN must be cancelled and if it fails you are no worse off than if you'd sat tight and waited for the LBC because IAS decisions are binding on operators but not on motorists.

    To enable us to consider whether this is a good candidate for an IAS appeal show us both sides of the PCN. Redact your name, address, vehicle number and PCN reference but leave all dates showing.

    Also, your statement '
    as it's just a street I don't think there is [an owner]' is certainly wrong.  If it's a public street it's owned by the local authority and excluded from the definition of 'relevant land' in POFA so a Euro Parking Services PCN can't be enforced against the keeper and if it's a private street its owned by a private landowner to whom you should complain as per Plan A.  We don't have streets that aren't owned by anyone.
  • Thanks @troublemaker22

    I've had a bit more of a dig and come up with a company that potentially owns the site. 'Alcester Road Investments LTD', problem is the only contact details I can find is their registered address on the GOV.UK site which is actually the address of an accountancy firm :/

    Anyway, here's the redacted PCN:

  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 18 February 2024 at 12:32AM


    That's a newer version than they used in 2023. But they haven't improved the wording and it isn't POFA-compliant.

    As seen last year from them, the timeline for keeper liability is ambiguous and wrong.

    In fact they've put two different 28 day periods there and it looks like they reckon they can add debt recovery charges after 28 days, even though the POFA calculates it differently, as shown lower down.
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  • It's not only POFA non-compliant, it's also in breach of the IPC Code, which is the kind of thing IAS (despite its awful reputation) might allow an appeal on. 

    More after a night’s sleep. 
  • @troublemaker22
    EPIC. Thank you - I'll crack on with complaint to landowner & IAS appeal. Will report back when I have more info.
  • Coupon-mad
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    That's an IAS appeal example written by a solicitor with 100% win rate (I think?) at IAS.  
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  • Umkomaas
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    For any non PoFA compliance appeal, I'm sure there'll be an Elliot v Loake response from the IAS. Let's see!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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