Anyone escaped from the BBC licence fee?

Marvel1

Now TV streaming package you can, I have Entermaintment, but don't use the live TV side of it.

MouldyOldDough

Cornucopia said:

MouldyOldDough said:

wild666 said:

Gobsh said:

Anyone escaped from the BBC licence fee?

So you disconnect your Ariel

Get a streaming stick

Don't watch/install BBC iPlayer 

Don't watch live terrestrial TV (which technically doesn't exist on streaming platforms) because there is always a lapse

Questions

Do simultaneous streaming of live TV count as "live TV"?

Does "Watch from the start" count as "live TV"?

I didn't have a TV licence from August 1983 until August 2011 then I paid for a licence for 5 years because I had a TV subscription up until August 2016 when I went licence free again, I'm still licence free now. 
I only used to watch BT Sport online so I could have not paid for a licence as all my TV viewing was online and even with a warrant TVL wouldn't have access to my PC viewing habits as the licence only covers TV receiving equipment i'e. a TV set.
If something is online at the same time as it's shown on a TV channel then a licence is required to watch the content. I often watch live content on the FA player as these matches are from the championship of the women's football and have only a few thousand views per game and to the best of my knowledge aren't shown on any live as shown TV channel no licence is required.

I'm sorry to inform you that once again you are breaking the law
You DO need a TV licence to watch on line TV

So you drive a mobility scooter at 8 mph on the pavements - totally oblivious to other pavement users https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80533384#Comment_80533384 and now appear proud that you are breaking the law watching unlicenced TV !!

Do I need a TV Licence to watch TV live online-only TV channel or service?

Yes, you need a TV Licence to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, on any device. It doesn’t matter if you receive it over the internet, from a cable or satellite provider or through an aerial.

You could still need a TV Licence if you don’t have a TV

A TV Licence covers you to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, and to use BBC iPlayer*.

This applies to any device, including a TV, computer, laptop, phone, tablet, games console or digital box.

I don't particularly want to get into the question of whether other users are breaking the "law" or not - I wouldn't be so bold.   

However, I can tell you that the TVL guidance you've posted is wrong, and it's clear that it's wrong (though it somewhat depends on what they mean by "streaming service").

You need a Licence to view or record TV broadcast channels via terrestrial, satellite or cable TV.   You also need a Licence to view any of those channels concurrently (to their broadcast) using internet streaming.    And also BBC TV content on iPlayer.

Anything else is at best a grey area (which needs testing in court), or is definitively not within the scope of the TV Licence.   I don't know about BT Sport, but certainly Amazon Sport will include live content at times that is not subject to concurrent broadcast and therefore doesn't need a Licence to view.

More generally, there is a wide variety of live streamed content on platforms like Youtube and Twitch - the vast majority of that content doesn't originate with broadcasters and therefore doesn't require a Licence to view it.

BBC/TV Licensing seem to have done their level best to confuse things, and the white heat of technological change doesn't help.

edit:  Their Q&A on "Do I need a Licence to watch Youtube?" digs into the detail rather more robustly than their comments above.   This is what they say:-

"You don’t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube.

But you do need a TV Licence if you watch live TV on YouTube.

An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn’t just live news or sport which needs a licence – it’s any programme which is part of a TV channel, shown or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time".

The information that I gave was from TVL website 

Cornucopia

MouldyOldDough said:

Cornucopia said:

MouldyOldDough said:

wild666 said:

Gobsh said:

Anyone escaped from the BBC licence fee?

So you disconnect your Ariel

Get a streaming stick

Don't watch/install BBC iPlayer 

Don't watch live terrestrial TV (which technically doesn't exist on streaming platforms) because there is always a lapse

Questions

Do simultaneous streaming of live TV count as "live TV"?

Does "Watch from the start" count as "live TV"?

I didn't have a TV licence from August 1983 until August 2011 then I paid for a licence for 5 years because I had a TV subscription up until August 2016 when I went licence free again, I'm still licence free now. 
I only used to watch BT Sport online so I could have not paid for a licence as all my TV viewing was online and even with a warrant TVL wouldn't have access to my PC viewing habits as the licence only covers TV receiving equipment i'e. a TV set.
If something is online at the same time as it's shown on a TV channel then a licence is required to watch the content. I often watch live content on the FA player as these matches are from the championship of the women's football and have only a few thousand views per game and to the best of my knowledge aren't shown on any live as shown TV channel no licence is required.

I'm sorry to inform you that once again you are breaking the law
You DO need a TV licence to watch on line TV

So you drive a mobility scooter at 8 mph on the pavements - totally oblivious to other pavement users https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80533384#Comment_80533384 and now appear proud that you are breaking the law watching unlicenced TV !!

Do I need a TV Licence to watch TV live online-only TV channel or service?

Yes, you need a TV Licence to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, on any device. It doesn’t matter if you receive it over the internet, from a cable or satellite provider or through an aerial.

You could still need a TV Licence if you don’t have a TV

A TV Licence covers you to watch live on any channel, TV service or streaming service, and to use BBC iPlayer*.

This applies to any device, including a TV, computer, laptop, phone, tablet, games console or digital box.

I don't particularly want to get into the question of whether other users are breaking the "law" or not - I wouldn't be so bold.   

However, I can tell you that the TVL guidance you've posted is wrong, and it's clear that it's wrong (though it somewhat depends on what they mean by "streaming service").

You need a Licence to view or record TV broadcast channels via terrestrial, satellite or cable TV.   You also need a Licence to view any of those channels concurrently (to their broadcast) using internet streaming.    And also BBC TV content on iPlayer.

Anything else is at best a grey area (which needs testing in court), or is definitively not within the scope of the TV Licence.   I don't know about BT Sport, but certainly Amazon Sport will include live content at times that is not subject to concurrent broadcast and therefore doesn't need a Licence to view.

More generally, there is a wide variety of live streamed content on platforms like Youtube and Twitch - the vast majority of that content doesn't originate with broadcasters and therefore doesn't require a Licence to view it.

BBC/TV Licensing seem to have done their level best to confuse things, and the white heat of technological change doesn't help.

edit:  Their Q&A on "Do I need a Licence to watch Youtube?" digs into the detail rather more robustly than their comments above.   This is what they say:-

"You don’t need a TV Licence to watch videos or clips on demand on YouTube.

But you do need a TV Licence if you watch live TV on YouTube.

An example of this would be watching Sky News live. But it isn’t just live news or sport which needs a licence – it’s any programme which is part of a TV channel, shown or transmitted for everyone to watch at the same time".

The information that I gave was from TVL website 

So was mine.   

The conclusion is that they are either incompetent or they are not honest brokers of the rules.  

Or both.

subjecttocontract

I think the TV licence fee represents great value for money. The BBC have some really super programs with some of the best Drama shows and I couldn't be arsed playing around with systems to ensure I saved what ? £159 a year. I'd easily spend that on a whole list of things that represented less value for money than a TV licence. No doubt someone will be asking me to grow my own carrots or fix my own plumbing next.

Martin_the_Unjust

subjecttocontract said:

I think the TV licence fee represents great value for money. The BBC have some really super programs with some of the best Drama shows and I couldn't be arsed playing around with systems to ensure I saved what ? £159 a year. I'd easily spend that on a whole list of things that represented less value for money than a TV licence. No doubt someone will be asking me to grow my own carrots or fix my own plumbing next.

I’m glad you feel it’s value for money, I’m sure you are aware others have an equally valid but very different opinion.

subjecttocontract

.......and I would defend anyone's right to express that different opinion.

Krakkkers

subjecttocontract said:

I think the TV licence fee represents great value for money. The BBC have some really super programs with some of the best Drama shows and I couldn't be arsed playing around with systems to ensure I saved what ? £159 a year. I'd easily spend that on a whole list of things that represented less value for money than a TV licence. No doubt someone will be asking me to grow my own carrots or fix my own plumbing next.

I haven't paid the TV license in years and i do grow my own veg and fix my own plumbing.

wild666

The content I watch live isn't shown on any TV channel so no licence is required as far as I'm concerned. It's streamed via the internet The BBC might have the rights to the women's super league but most matches I stream are the championship matches and I watch the women's super league matches on demand on the FA player.