Laptop for campervan travelling advice please

Eliza_2

I'd just like to say a huge thank you to everyone who has responded and discussed this on here.  Some of it is over my head but I'm always up for learning!  I'll spend  a bit of time following up this info and the links - not just for the laptop itself but for the other ideas.  What started as a rather ignorant question has turned into a real learning experience so thank you all so much.  

Bonhomie

GDB2222 said:

Bonhomie said:

GDB2222 said:

cerebus said:

GDB2222 said:

Just bear in mind that the i5-7200 was launched in 2016, so whilst I the processor is still very capable the whole machine could be 7 years old. Battery life may be limited, etc. Personally, I would pay £100 more for a new machine, but YMMV. For a given price, you obviously get a better spec buying second hand.

It's not very MSE recommending a £100 more new machine and potentially sending a slightly old one to landfill  because the battery may be knackered , batteries can be had for a lot less than £100 and will not only breathe new life into a slightly old machine but will help save the planet too!

Those are good points. On the other hand, the new machine is a very capable machine, which should still be working fine in 10 years time. And, it's good value. 

I have a laptop that I use when I am away from home. It was bought in 2014, and it has a N2830 CPU. It's usable, but really rather slow. At what point do you say that a machine is too old, slow and unreliable?  

And, if you buy a new machine and keep it throughout its useful lifespan, is that less good for the planet than buying a secondhand machine?  

Your device with an N2830 was terrible when you bought it. For sure no one here recommended it to you.
When we recommend something, we keep in mind that it has to be usable in the first instance. Yours was not. 
My second hand DELL Latitude is already eleven years old and not at all slow. So which is the better buy? Yours is already unusable.

The thing is that I use this supposedly unusable device for a few weeks each year. But, I agree that it’s slow. At the time I bought it, it was £130. It’s difficult to say what I could have brought 10 years ago for the same money that would still be working well now? 

Lets say you bought yours new ten years ago for £130(do you have a receipt for that?   ) and I bought the laptop that I'm using for the same, but second hand. Mine is obviously still in use, but not at all slow. Whereas yours has been painfully slow for ten years.
Better to buy a good quality second user device, than something new that is barely fit for purpose when buying for personal use....in my opinion. 

Bonhomie

Cisco001 said:

Bonhomie said:

Cisco001 said:

Win 10 end of life in 2025.
Personally don't see the point of buying laptop with unsupported CPU at this stage.
In additional, laptop with i5-10210u could be found at £150. 
What's the point getting laptop with older CPU at that price?

Why not post a link for the OP or send via PM. 
Personally, I don't necessarily agree with your stance, as it depends on the device available. I'd rather get a high quality business device with a 8th Gen, than a cheap and tacky device with a 10th Gen.
Furthermore, an 'unsupported CPU' is not an impediment to upgrading to Windows 11.
Nevertheless, you CAN find used Lenovo V15 IML on eBay at the price point. Example: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115934426653

I am not taking about consumer grade laptop. It has to be entry level business laptop to start with.
Lenovo thinkpad E14/ HP ProBook 430. 

Not all in the best condition, but someone snapped up the ProBook tout de suite 
If the OP can obtain something of that quality and 10th gen, I concur.

GDB2222

Bonhomie said:

GDB2222 said:

Bonhomie said:

GDB2222 said:

cerebus said:

GDB2222 said:

Just bear in mind that the i5-7200 was launched in 2016, so whilst I the processor is still very capable the whole machine could be 7 years old. Battery life may be limited, etc. Personally, I would pay £100 more for a new machine, but YMMV. For a given price, you obviously get a better spec buying second hand.

It's not very MSE recommending a £100 more new machine and potentially sending a slightly old one to landfill  because the battery may be knackered , batteries can be had for a lot less than £100 and will not only breathe new life into a slightly old machine but will help save the planet too!

Those are good points. On the other hand, the new machine is a very capable machine, which should still be working fine in 10 years time. And, it's good value. 

I have a laptop that I use when I am away from home. It was bought in 2014, and it has a N2830 CPU. It's usable, but really rather slow. At what point do you say that a machine is too old, slow and unreliable?  

And, if you buy a new machine and keep it throughout its useful lifespan, is that less good for the planet than buying a secondhand machine?  

Your device with an N2830 was terrible when you bought it. For sure no one here recommended it to you.
When we recommend something, we keep in mind that it has to be usable in the first instance. Yours was not. 
My second hand DELL Latitude is already eleven years old and not at all slow. So which is the better buy? Yours is already unusable.

The thing is that I use this supposedly unusable device for a few weeks each year. But, I agree that it’s slow. At the time I bought it, it was £130. It’s difficult to say what I could have brought 10 years ago for the same money that would still be working well now? 

Lets say you bought yours new ten years ago for £130(do you have a receipt for that?   ) and I bought the laptop that I'm using for the same, but second hand. Mine is obviously still in use, but not at all slow. Whereas yours has been painfully slow for ten years.
Better to buy a good quality second user device, than something new that is barely fit for purpose when buying for personal use....in my opinion. 

Did you buy yours ten years ago, and did it at that point (a one year old business laptop) cost you £150-ish?

If, instead, you are in favour of buying a series of machines over the ten year period then surely the appropriate price comparator is the total amount spent? 

Bonhomie

GDB2222 said:

Bonhomie said:

GDB2222 said:

Bonhomie said:

GDB2222 said:

cerebus said:

GDB2222 said:

Just bear in mind that the i5-7200 was launched in 2016, so whilst I the processor is still very capable the whole machine could be 7 years old. Battery life may be limited, etc. Personally, I would pay £100 more for a new machine, but YMMV. For a given price, you obviously get a better spec buying second hand.

It's not very MSE recommending a £100 more new machine and potentially sending a slightly old one to landfill  because the battery may be knackered , batteries can be had for a lot less than £100 and will not only breathe new life into a slightly old machine but will help save the planet too!

Those are good points. On the other hand, the new machine is a very capable machine, which should still be working fine in 10 years time. And, it's good value. 

I have a laptop that I use when I am away from home. It was bought in 2014, and it has a N2830 CPU. It's usable, but really rather slow. At what point do you say that a machine is too old, slow and unreliable?  

And, if you buy a new machine and keep it throughout its useful lifespan, is that less good for the planet than buying a secondhand machine?  

Your device with an N2830 was terrible when you bought it. For sure no one here recommended it to you.
When we recommend something, we keep in mind that it has to be usable in the first instance. Yours was not. 
My second hand DELL Latitude is already eleven years old and not at all slow. So which is the better buy? Yours is already unusable.

The thing is that I use this supposedly unusable device for a few weeks each year. But, I agree that it’s slow. At the time I bought it, it was £130. It’s difficult to say what I could have brought 10 years ago for the same money that would still be working well now? 

Lets say you bought yours new ten years ago for £130(do you have a receipt for that?   ) and I bought the laptop that I'm using for the same, but second hand. Mine is obviously still in use, but not at all slow. Whereas yours has been painfully slow for ten years.
Better to buy a good quality second user device, than something new that is barely fit for purpose when buying for personal use....in my opinion. 

Did you buy yours ten years ago, and did it at that point (a one year old business laptop) cost you £150-ish?

If, instead, you are in favour of buying a series of machines over the ten year period then surely the appropriate price comparator is the total amount spent? 

So now your laptop cost you £150-ish? I think you are just making it up. Either way, I have lots of examples of second user laptops having more than ten years of usage. Business devices are often three years old. Consumer quality devices, can be just months old. I have Toshiba laptops still in use, bought refurbished(but really new) in 2009. I buy replacements and use the old ones for travel.


You are just arguing pointlessly and fabricating scenarios.
Your device was not fit for purpose when you bought it. Five years newer than my Toshiba device, but with a substantially poorer CPU. Yours, for all intents and purposes, is a Netbook. You would have been better off buying a higher spec refurb, than to suffer with such a poor device for nearly ten years.
You have no idea if the device you recommend will still be working in ten years time, but yet you are pushing someone to spend more than £100 above their budgeted spend.

GDB2222

GDB2222 said:

Would this work for you?

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-15-156-fhd-120hz-ryzen-5-5500u-8gb-upgradeable-256-ssd-laptop-wcode-4277537

Now down to £236, apparently.

https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-15-156-fhd-120hz-ryzen-5-5500u-8gb-upgradeable-256-ssd-laptop-wcode-4286035