Getting the Garden and drive block paved Telecoms cable.

slackgarry

So going to get the Garden block paved but dont want it digging up when my new fiber broadband is installed. Has anyone pre laid some conduit with a draw line purely for this purpose. If so what colour conduit can be installed ready ?

MikeJXE

I have for gas but not broadband 

On building  sites the colour for BT is grey, for cable it's green in our area but could be different in others 

Eldi_Dos

Openreach use grey 100mm in pavements and may use 50mm from pavement to property. Drainage superstore will have the bends and ducts you need but make sure it is installed to correct depth.
Other companies can use other colour's but would have no problem using what you provide.

iniltous

How old is the property, if it was build later than 1990 it’s probably already got an Openreach duct , if earlier than that , although you could provide a conduit under the paving , you won’t necessarily know what part of where the paving meets the pavement to leave that end of the duct , you could inadvertently leave it in a place that is no good for any provider to use ….
I cant say for Alt Nets , but Openreach are not keen on using other peoples ducting , as they would then be responsible for something they had no involvement in it’s provision, strictly speaking a duct sharing agreement is also needed , but in a residential setting , that probably wouldn’t occur to the installation people.
If trying to source the appropriate Openreach duct , its called Duct 56 , its a 2 inch duct ( imperial measurement as it’s been around for donkeys years ) you would also need the Duct bend at either end so the Duct has the correct depth of cover .

35har1old

iniltous said:

How old is the property, if it was build later than 1990 it’s probably already got an Openreach duct , if earlier than that , although you could provide a conduit under the paving , you won’t necessarily know what part of where the paving meets the pavement to leave that end of the duct , you could inadvertently leave it in a place that is no good for any provider to use ….
I cant say for Alt Nets , but Openreach are not keen on using other peoples ducting , as they would then be responsible for something they had no involvement in it’s provision, strictly speaking a duct sharing agreement is also needed , but in a residential setting , that probably wouldn’t occur to the installation people.
If trying to source the appropriate Openreach duct , its called Duct 56 , its a 2 inch duct ( imperial measurement as it’s been around for donkeys years ) you would also need the Duct bend at either end so the Duct has the correct depth of cover .

I had fibre installed by Openreach the original duct was installed but where it entered  the house it was in a totally useless  position for a router as it was behind the front door with no power supply for fibre or router.
The duct was found outside and rerouted so it entered where the router was located.But it was only buried to 100mm beneath the grass
and it was layed in black 25mm alkaline 
There was a BT chamber outside my property but the fibre connection had to be made in next chamber back
I would suggest that you should get fibre installed before the paviors 
They are not keen on excavating footpaths 

iniltous

Before Duct 56 , BT ( as it was then ) used Duct 100 , but to call it duct is overstating it , it’s a conduit rather than a duct , it did offer  a small amount of protection for the cable ( and better than an armoured cable direct in the ground ) , digging down on this and redirecting it somewhere isn’t a particularly good solution as there is no guarantee than a new cable can be installed inside Duct 100 , and mating Duct 100 to a new section of Duct 56 isn’t advisable, but it may be attempted and occasionally successful 
In post 1990 builds, the Duct 56 should appear on an external wall , prior to that , the cable either DIG or inside Duct 100 may be taken right inside the property through the foundation, and appear in a meter cupboard, or on an internal wall , this is no good for modern installation hence the need to excavate in some way .
TBH , the OP hasn’t stated any particular network provider , it could be Virgin or an Alt Net as well as Openreach 
As far as depth of cover on ‘ducts’ , generally it’s the developers who install duct supplied by the Network companies ( OR for example supply the duct and jointbox frames and covers , but pay the developer for the labour for them to build boxes , lay the duct etc ) so if it’s not very deep in the ground , that’s because they developer’s ground workers didn’t follow the specifications they were given , ( they did what was quick rather than what was required ) but if it’s underground how will anyone know till much later on .

Eldi_Dos

iniltous said:

 but if it’s underground how will anyone know till much later on .

A QLO  will have been allocated to check and clearance needed before payments are made. If they are doubtful a core test will be ordered to check depth of cover.Usually if they have concerns about tarmac.

35har1old

iniltous said:

Before Duct 56 , BT ( as it was then ) used Duct 100 , but to call it duct is overstating it , it’s a conduit rather than a duct , it did offer  a small amount of protection for the cable ( and better than an armoured cable direct in the ground ) , digging down on this and redirecting it somewhere isn’t a particularly good solution as there is no guarantee than a new cable can be installed inside Duct 100 , and mating Duct 100 to a new section of Duct 56 isn’t advisable, but it may be attempted and occasionally successful 
In post 1990 builds, the Duct 56 should appear on an external wall , prior to that , the cable either DIG or inside Duct 100 may be taken right inside the property through the foundation, and appear in a meter cupboard, or on an internal wall , this is no good for modern installation hence the need to excavate in some way .
TBH , the OP hasn’t stated any particular network provider , it could be Virgin or an Alt Net as well as Openreach 
As far as depth of cover on ‘ducts’ , generally it’s the developers who install duct supplied by the Network companies ( OR for example supply the duct and jointbox frames and covers , but pay the developer for the labour for them to build boxes , lay the duct etc ) so if it’s not very deep in the ground , that’s because they developer’s ground workers didn’t follow the specifications they were given , ( they did what was quick rather than what was required ) but if it’s underground how will anyone know till much later on .

You are talking about new build only
Yes it is the builder who installs all duct and sub duct the boxes are usually performed and placed in trench so no actual building involved 
When the footpath has be adopted the likes of Virgin employ there own contactor to excavate and install the necessary ducts and equipment 

35har1old

iniltous said:

Before Duct 56 , BT ( as it was then ) used Duct 100 , but to call it duct is overstating it , it’s a conduit rather than a duct , it did offer  a small amount of protection for the cable ( and better than an armoured cable direct in the ground ) , digging down on this and redirecting it somewhere isn’t a particularly good solution as there is no guarantee than a new cable can be installed inside Duct 100 , and mating Duct 100 to a new section of Duct 56 isn’t advisable, but it may be attempted and occasionally successful 
In post 1990 builds, the Duct 56 should appear on an external wall , prior to that , the cable either DIG or inside Duct 100 may be taken right inside the property through the foundation, and appear in a meter cupboard, or on an internal wall , this is no good for modern installation hence the need to excavate in some way .
TBH , the OP hasn’t stated any particular network provider , it could be Virgin or an Alt Net as well as Openreach 
As far as depth of cover on ‘ducts’ , generally it’s the developers who install duct supplied by the Network companies ( OR for example supply the duct and jointbox frames and covers , but pay the developer for the labour for them to build boxes , lay the duct etc ) so if it’s not very deep in the ground , that’s because they developer’s ground workers didn’t follow the specifications they were given , ( they did what was quick rather than what was required ) but if it’s underground how will anyone know till much later on .

Builders are not paid it's up to them to supply all utilities it's them that actually pay the utility company

iniltous

Really and you speak from a position of personal knowledge ?, what ‘job’  do you hold ( or previously held ) within the building industry or Openreach  to speak with such authority on the matter ?, Developers are paid to lay duct and build boxes by Openreach, but based on the number  of properties being built , the materials such as duct , frames and covers are supplied, as are the specifications ( dimensions for boxes , depth of cover etc ) 
Seems to me a little knowledge is a dangerous thing , presumably you mean pre formed boxes and not performed  ( they are called JMF’s ,  are modular and I absolutely agree don’t need the same ‘skill’ to install ) but they are not the only type of  jointbox used on new developments, the choice of box to use depends on the location ,a bix in the carriageway for example cannot be modular, subduct ( a duct within a duct ) has absolutely nothing to do with ‘newsites’ , and yes , obviously after the roads and footpaths are adopted by the local authority the utility provider uses their  rights and obligations under the NRSWA to ‘excavate’ in what’s now a public space , and not the long departed developer, TBH it’s unclear what point you are trying to make 

QrizB

iniltous said:

... TBH it’s unclear what point you are trying to make 

That particular poster has a low signal-to-noise ratio.