WASPE "On Brink Of Defeat"

MarkCarnage

Silvertabby said:

Sipowicz said:

WASPI = Women against state pension inequality.
WASPE = ?

Women Against State Pension Equality.

So they want to be picky about equality then? Presumably happy with equalisation of annuity rate pricing....?

Pollycat

Silvertabby said:

I didn't receive ANY letters at all, but I do remember the changes being widely discussed (ok, moaned about) in the media, at work, at the hairdressers, in the pub, etc etc.  The information was certainly well out there.

Like Pollycat, I could have done without the 2011 changes which took me from 65 to 66, but I had more notice than those born in 1953/54.  Had WASPE concentrated their efforts on getting this increase eased, then I may have had more sympathy with them.

What irks me were the lies - WASPE were telling their followers that they were winning, implying that each woman would receive many £Ks in compensation.  Reality is that compensation, if any, will be limited to the administrative fubar which meant that letters weren't sent out over a 2 year period in the early 2000s.  £500 max, but paid to every woman based on her date of birth, not need.

And the difference between what WASPI's 'ask' was in the petition and what they said on Facebook (which I don't subscribe to).
I signed the petition but as soon as what WASPI said they wanted on Facebook came out, I contacted my MP to complain that WASPI had been duplicitous in the wording of their petition and Facebook.
And thanks to Jem16 (back in Feb 2016, I 'unsigned' the petition.

LHW99

Silvertabby said:

Sipowicz said:

WASPI = Women against state pension inequality.
WASPE = ?

Women Against State Pension Equality.

Women against state pension education??

westv

Sipowicz said:

WASPI = Women against state pension inequality.
WASPE = ?

= Spelling error. 

GrubbyGirl_2

Pollycat said:But were we actually notified?

Did you receive a letter telling you that?
I think that is WASPI's point.

Yes I was 35 and my employer attached a leaflet to every single payslip, men and women, and I also watched most of my work colleagues throw it in the bin without reading it as it was about pensions and they didn't think it was anything to do with them.  Having said that it was all over the media anyway, you'd have to be living in a cave to miss it.

Pollycat

GrubbyGirl_2 said:

Pollycat said:But were we actually notified?

Did you receive a letter telling you that?
I think that is WASPI's point.

Yes I was 35 and my employer attached a leaflet to every single payslip, men and women, and I also watched most of my work colleagues throw it in the bin without reading it as it was about pensions and they didn't think it was anything to do with them.  Having said that it was all over the media anyway, you'd have to be living in a cave to miss it.

I don't think that can be classed as receiving a letter.
The media at that time consisted of TV and actual newspapers.
No social media then like there is now.
Don't get me wrong...
I knew about it, agreed with the principle.
But there wasn't any personal notification.

Silvertabby

I strongly suspect that many women who DID receive letters would have just glanced at them, thought "boring pensions - nothing to do with 38-year-old me", and slung them in the bin. 

Pollycat

Silvertabby said:

I strongly suspect that many women who DID receive letters would have just glanced at them, thought "boring pensions - nothing to do with 38-year-old me", and slung them in the bin. 

I think that too.
But it doesn't change the fact that women were not advised personally by letter about the 1995 change.
A leaflet attached to a pay slip cannot be classed as a letter delivered personally to every woman affected.

zagfles

Pollycat said:

Silvertabby said:

I strongly suspect that many women who DID receive letters would have just glanced at them, thought "boring pensions - nothing to do with 38-year-old me", and slung them in the bin. 

I think that too.
But it doesn't change the fact that women were not advised personally by letter about the 1995 change.
A leaflet attached to a pay slip cannot be classed as a letter delivered personally to every woman affected.

But so what? I've not been personally advised that my SPA has increased to 67. Since when is the govt under any obligation to personally advise people when legislation changes? There have been some changes in legislation since 1995 which could result in a criminal conviction. Since when is ignorance of the law an excuse?

Marcon

Pollycat said:

GrubbyGirl_2 said:

Pollycat said:But were we actually notified?

Did you receive a letter telling you that?
I think that is WASPI's point.

Yes I was 35 and my employer attached a leaflet to every single payslip, men and women, and I also watched most of my work colleagues throw it in the bin without reading it as it was about pensions and they didn't think it was anything to do with them.  Having said that it was all over the media anyway, you'd have to be living in a cave to miss it.

I don't think that can be classed as receiving a letter.
The media at that time consisted of TV and actual newspapers.
No social media then like there is now.
Don't get me wrong...
I knew about it, agreed with the principle.
But there wasn't any personal notification.

Why would there be? Did you get a personal letter as a child (or parent) when the school leaving age changed?