WASPE "On Brink Of Defeat"

molerat

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/waspi-pension-campaigners-brink-defeat-144344246.html

Sir Steve Webb, a former pensions minister and now partner at the consultancy LCP, said the cost of compensating Waspi women would be “enormous”.

“Parliament is sovereign and can do what it likes, but there is a lot of respect for the ombudsman’s reports.

“However it is unlikely that when Parliament does receive the full report, it decides to spend billions on compensation.”

Let common sense prevail.

Qyburn

Why are they campaigning only on behalf of women born in the 1950s? Isn't that discrimination against women born in 1960 or later? 

Silvertabby

The WASPE hierarcy believe that it would be fair and equitable for women born before 6 April 1960 to receive their pensions backdated to age 60, but that their friends/sisters born on or after 6 April 1960 (just one day later) can jolly well wait until age 66.  

GrubbyGirl_2

As someone who falls into the WASPI age group this campaign frustrates the hell out of me simply because it doesn't make sense.  They state that they had no notice of the changes and therefore could not make arrangements for their financial security.  Well we were notified in 1995 that the age would start increasing from 2010.  By my calculation that's 15 years, maybe some of these women should educate themselves and start reading or at least watch the news.  Also what financial insecurity is there?  You just carry on working that gives you the money to spend.  If you still finish work at 60 knowing you're not going to get a pension then more fool you!!

These women no doubt want equality with men in all things except this because on this one they lose out.  Even though I would get a load of money if they win I really hope they don't as there are much better things the Government should be spending their money on, certainly not this.

Pollycat

GrubbyGirl_2 said:

As someone who falls into the WASPI age group this campaign frustrates the hell out of me simply because it doesn't make sense.  They state that they had no notice of the changes and therefore could not make arrangements for their financial security.  Well we were notified in 1995 that the age would start increasing from 2010.  By my calculation that's 15 years, maybe some of these women should educate themselves and start reading or at least watch the news.  Also what financial insecurity is there?  You just carry on working that gives you the money to spend.  If you still finish work at 60 knowing you're not going to get a pension then more fool you!!

These women no doubt want equality with men in all things except this because on this one they lose out.  Even though I would get a load of money if they win I really hope they don't as there are much better things the Government should be spending their money on, certainly not this.

But were we actually notified?
Did you receive a letter telling you that?
I think that is WASPI's point.

I certainly knew about it as it was widely discussed and in the company I worked for, HR ran sessions to educate women about this change.

I think WASPI's campaign was poorly thought out (as per Silvertabby said:

The WASPE hierarcy believe that it would be fair and equitable for women born before 6 April 1960 to receive their pensions backdated to age 60, but that their friends/sisters born on or after 6 April 1960 (just one day later) can jolly well wait until age 66.  

I fall into the WASPI category but have not supported this organisation.
I firmly believe that a man and woman born on the same day should receive their state pension on the same day.
That is how I understand equality.

If WASPI had concentrated on the later change (which was notified by letter) that - at incredibly short notice - increased pension age to 66, I would have supported it.
I had known since 1995 that my state pension date would be April 2017 (aged 63 years and 6 months).
The second change put that back to July 2018 (aged 64 years and 9 months).

Now that was inadequate notice.

Jonty6262

Waspi think each and everyone of them should have had a personal visit from the chancellor of the exchequer in 1995 to tell them in person and brought a bottle of wine too. 

Silvertabby

I didn't receive ANY letters at all, but I do remember the changes being widely discussed (ok, moaned about) in the media, at work, at the hairdressers, in the pub, etc etc.  The information was certainly well out there.

Like Pollycat, I could have done without the 2011 changes which took me from 65 to 66, but I had more notice than those born in 1953/54.  Had WASPE concentrated their efforts on getting this increase eased, then I may have had more sympathy with them.

What irks me were the lies - WASPE were telling their followers that they were winning, implying that each woman would receive many £Ks in compensation.  Reality is that compensation, if any, will be limited to the administrative fubar which meant that letters weren't sent out over a 2 year period in the early 2000s.  £500 max, but paid to every woman based on her date of birth, not need.

QrizB

molerat said:

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/waspi-pension-campaigners-brink-defeat-144344246.html

Sir Steve Webb, a former pensions minister and now partner at the consultancy LCP, said the cost of compensating Waspi women would be “enormous”.

“Parliament is sovereign and can do what it likes, but there is a lot of respect for the ombudsman’s reports.

“However it is unlikely that when Parliament does receive the full report, it decides to spend billions on compensation.”

Let common sense prevail.

And the caption on the photo says "It is estimated that around four million women were pushed into financial hardship from the pension change".

Estimated by whom?

If you use the population pyramid here, in 2008 (when the oldest affected woman was 58) the affected cohort only contained 3.68 million women. Are they saying that every single one of them was "pushed into financial hardship"?

Sipowicz

WASPI = Women against state pension inequality.
WASPE = ?

Silvertabby

Sipowicz said:

WASPI = Women against state pension inequality.
WASPE = ?

Women Against State Pension Equality.

Sipowicz

I wish they would make their minds up!