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QDR Formal Letter of Claim

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I am not sure how QDR can now be making threats to start County Court Proceedings as the 6 months is clearly over. 

I will submit a SAR. But what would the next step be, it looks like they have taken the Bylaw to initially try to charge me, and then made out it’s now a contract. 
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  • Grizebeck
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    edited 26 September 2023 at 2:22PM
    QDR/ZZPS have stated in the past they are able to change from a byelaw offence to a contractual claim
    However this is not possible and you should have no difficulty in defending this.
    For this I would NOT use the template defence if you get a claim form but write a specific defence for this claim 
  • Umkomaas
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    Which parking firm issued the original charges?  Did their letters show the charges as being Parking Charges, or PenaltyCharges?
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 21 October 2024 at 10:59AM
    Umkomaas said:
    Which parking firm issued the original charges?  Did their letters show the charges as being Parking Charges, or PenaltyCharges?
    Original letter came through as a Parking Charge Notice
    Not a byelaws Penalty Notice then.

    It has not timed out.
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  • Coupon-mad
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    Yep so you reply as advised already.
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  • B789
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    edited 21 October 2024 at 10:59AM

    The Parking Charge Notice was issued under Railway Bylaw 14.
    Are you sure? If they issued a Parking Charge Notice, it cannot have been issued under a bylaw. It can only be issued under civil contract law. Hence, the irrelevance of the 6 month timeout.
  • [Deleted User]
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    edited 21 October 2024 at 10:59AM
    B789 said:

    The Parking Charge Notice was issued under Railway Bylaw 14.
    Are you sure? If they issued a Parking Charge Notice, it cannot have been issued under a bylaw. It can only be issued under civil contract law. Hence, the irrelevance of the 6 month timeout.
    No, I made a mistake. It appears that it is a Penalty Notice under bylaw 14
  • Yep so you reply as advised already.
    I think the advice may have been deleted due to my incompetence around what sort of PCN I was issued. Which should I reply to? 
  • Coupon-mad
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    Nothing has been deleted AFAIK.
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  • I’m sure I saw a comment advising how to respond, which I can’t see now… 

    in short, do I respond to this letter from QDR and what would I need to include? 
  • B789
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    edited 26 September 2023 at 4:32PM
    If it is a LoC then you respond robustly and tell the shysters to put up or shut up. If it is indeed a Penalty Charge Notice, they don't have a leg to stand on.

    They cannot claim against you for any breach of contract if they are relying on Railway Bylaw 14. Only the landowner, the TOC, can make a claim against the "owner" (good luck trying to prove that one) as a criminal matter in a magistrates court. even then, the prosecution must commence within 6 months of the offence.

    Personally, I'd just tell the intellectually malnourished staff at QDR to go sit on a sharp stick and rotate.
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