Pip/Assessment

Charles_Foxtrot

pope said:

I had the phone call recorded as I had discussed in my previous post. 

Did you tell them you were going to record the assessment? 

pope

I did not record it my self I asked them to do it as it was a option in my letter. CAPITA have sent me the recording already.

Alice_Holt

Charles_Foxtrot said:

pope said:

I had the phone call recorded as I had discussed in my previous post. 

Did you tell them you were going to record the assessment? 

   
    The recording is made by Capita at the request of the claimant

      

"Audio recording

If you would like your assessment to be audio recorded, please let the health professional know at the start of your assessment.

Before the assessment, you will need to agree to how the recording can be used.

If you decide you no longer want your assessment to be recorded, let the health professional know. They will stop the recording and your assessment will continue as normal.

After your appointment, you will receive a link to your recording by text message or email, and a separate text message with a one-time password. The password will expire after 24 hours and can only be used once to access and download your recording. This is to protect you and the information you provided at your appointment.

If you would like a CD copy of the recording, please let the health professional know. We will also keep a copy of the recording."

Charles_Foxtrot

pope said:

I did not record it my self I asked them to do it as it was a option in my letter. CAPITA have sent me the recording already.

Awesome!!!

PixelPound

Muttleythefrog said:

pope said:

When can I request the report from DWP ? As assessor said it can take upto 8 weeks before DWP will be in touch.

I would be inclined to give a couple days then try requesting from DWP as it often doesn't take long... failing that try next week. The decision though as advised is more likely to take weeks so definitely would request the report to get an idea of what may be to come as the decision often is little more than a rubber stamping of the report.

The questions... yes fairly standard questions to build up a picture of your day to day circumstances and lifestyle. They can reveal facts or imply things that can be used to help determine which descriptors in some activities may or may not apply.... or lead to further questions which could.

Your assessment was a pretty lengthy one so hopefully the resulting report is a good one. (Often the difficulty claimants have is they feel railroaded through the assessment unable to properly explain their difficulties to someone who seems to have lunchtime in mind).

I have read that the complaints are often that the assessor have an "agenda" in that often wanting a yes/no reply to questions and then the assessor drawing conclusions not truly representative of what went on. For the OP looks like they were given the time to get points across.

pope

Hi have received my pip assessment report today below is what I have scored.

1d
2a
3b
4c
5a
6c
7b
8a
9b
10a

11a
12b

The assessor has also mentioned in the report

The functional restrictions affecting the mobility activities identified in this report is likely to have been present
for LEAST 3 MONTHS

The functional restriction affecting the mobility activities identified in this report is likely to remain for ATLEAST 9 MONTHS 

The functional restriction affecting the daily living activities identified in this report is likely to have been present for ATLEAST 3 MONTHS

The functional restriction affecting the daily living activities identified in this report is likely to remain for ATLEAST 9 MONTHS


JUSTIFICATION FOR REVIEW PERIOD CHOICE

Significant restriction noticed during the assessment and claiment has ongoing input in the form of CBT which has been reported to be ineffective for MH a 2 year review period is advised.

 I am not happy with what I have scored in some descriptors especially with mobility the assessor has put in the report.

What do I need to do now?

Thanks

Spoonie_Turtle

pope said:

Hi have received my pip assessment report today below is what I have scored.

1d
2a
3b
4c
5a
6c
7b
8a
9b
10a

11a
12b

…

JUSTIFICATION FOR REVIEW PERIOD CHOICE

Significant restriction noticed during the assessment and claiment has ongoing input in the form of CBT which has been reported to be ineffective for MH a 2 year review period is advised.

 I am not happy with what I have scored in some descriptors especially with mobility the assessor has put in the report.

What do I need to do now?

So 11 points for daily living and 4 for mobility, is that correct?

What you do now is prepare for a Mandatory Reconsideration, if you feel you should meet descriptors with higher scores (and you could challenge the length of the award too, if you wanted, depending on how long these health issues have been going on).  You need to identify which descriptors you should meet and why, based on how PIP is assessed. 

Don't get caught up in the report if some things are inaccurate, you only need to challenge faulty reasoning for selecting lower descriptors.  Getting sidetracked with anything else won't help you get the award you feel you should have.

Then once you've had the decision, if it's the same as the report, submit the MR within one month of the decision date if possible.

The MR may not do anything, but a really good and clear MR request will be a good basis for if you do need to take it to tribunal.

Muttleythefrog

Let me double check the maths on this:
1d 2
2a 0
3b 1
4c 2
5a 0
6c 2
7b 2
8a 0
9b 2
10a 0

11a 0
12b 4

So DL - 11 points, Mob - 4 points
(8 -11 points for standard awards, 12+ points for enhanced)

So likely to receive a decision of standard DL award and given the prognosis the award probably 3 years (2 years plus 1 year for assessment)

Therefore agree with above advice. I would be inclined to assume the decision when you receive that in the post will mirror the report you've now requested and received. So while you wait for that decision and if you feel you should get more than standard Daily Living Award I would prepare a reconsideration request ready to submit. Expect little from such a reconsideration request (most decisions are unchanged) but perhaps more at a later appeal (where success rates are high). The fact that you suggest you should have scored more for mobility and my impression that you are likely to score low amounts across several Daily living activities and fall only one scoring (or elevated descriptor) descriptor short of an enhanced DL award implies to me challenging the imminent decision likely good course of action with minimal risks. Focus efforts on explaining how you meet the descriptors you think appropriate and try to give real examples of your experiences. If the decision does not mirror the report come back here to give details perhaps.

If it makes you feel a little more positive... it is common for people at first assessment to get zilch... no points at all.. all problems dismissed out of hand effectively... so you do have a good solid starting base here even with a report you do not entirely agree with as the assessor accepts you have significant disabilities in your day to day life and they're likely to be durable ones... they also accept those disabilities have widespread impact as they acknowledge them sufficiently to recommend point scoring descriptors in most of the activities.

pope

Muttleythefrog said:

Let me double check the maths on this:
1d 2
2a 0
3b 1
4c 2
5a 0
6c 2
7b 2
8a 0
9b 2
10a 0

11a 0
12b 4

So DL - 11 points, Mob - 4 points
(8 -11 points for standard awards, 12+ points for enhanced)

So likely to receive a decision of standard DL award and given the prognosis the award probably 3 years (2 years plus 1 year for assessment)

Therefore agree with above advice. I would be inclined to assume the decision when you receive that in the post will mirror the report you've now requested and received. So while you wait for that decision and if you feel you should get more than standard Daily Living Award I would prepare a reconsideration request ready to submit. Expect little from such a reconsideration request (most decisions are unchanged) but perhaps more at a later appeal (where success rates are high). The fact that you suggest you should have scored more for mobility and my impression that you are likely to score low amounts across several Daily living activities and fall only one scoring (or elevated descriptor) descriptor short of an enhanced DL award implies to me challenging the imminent decision likely good course of action with minimal risks. Focus efforts on explaining how you meet the descriptors you think appropriate and try to give real examples of your experiences. If the decision does not mirror the report come back here to give details perhaps.

If it makes you feel a little more positive... it is common for people at first assessment to get zilch... no points at all.. all problems dismissed out of hand effectively... so you do have a good solid starting base here even with a report you do not entirely agree with as the assessor accepts you have significant disabilities in your day to day life and they're likely to be durable ones... they also accept those disabilities have widespread impact as they acknowledge them sufficiently to recommend point scoring descriptors in most of the activities.

So I want to do a MR and challenge descriptor for daily as you have mentioned just checked my self I am only 1 point off from enhanced daily. But I am also scared as I have heared some story's that with MR you can end up losing points.
I also want to challenge the 2 year duration of the award as I feel its short how long are awards usually given to people?
I also want to challenge mobility as well as I feel I should be entitled to atleast low mobility.

How do I do the MR do phone DWP or in writing best option?

Will I need new evidence or can I just send what I have again?

What is that I actually need to write focus on to get the best outcome as I absolutely have no idea any tips will be nice ?

Thanks 

Indie_Kid

I did a paper MR. I went through the descriptors and wrote the difficulties with each task. I kept a diary. I got my mum to write (I live alone but get help a few hours a week from mum) a letter about how she helps me.

I went from 4 on care and 0 on mobility to 11 on care and 12 on mobility. I know I should have got at least 13 on care but the whole thing made me ill. (And I'd had an accident recently and was struggling with that(