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I want my non paying tenant to have a CCJ
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CurlySue2017 said:Sarah1Mitty2 said:CurlySue2017 said:Sarah1Mitty2 said:Yes, this is important, and the way that a lot of landlords get themselves in trouble, the "market rate" is often published by vested interests like letting agents who have something to gain by telling landlords you can get X for your property, but "market rate" can change very quickly (look what happened to commercial property/office space for example) and if we get the predicted recession "market rate" will go down very quickly.Agreed. And all the talk about LL's selling up.I can only comment on what is happening in my area and that is that yes, some LL's are selling up. But those properties (generally the two up two down terraces) are being very rapidly snapped up by other LL's, brought up to a decent standard and rented out again.So yes some LL's are selling up, but some are also buying up and improving the properties no end. Of course LL's are not a charity, I understand that, but ramping up rents just because you can - regardless of the hardship this may cause - is morally questionable IMOFor clarification I am not referring to the OP in that last line, it is just a general commentThe area is one of the cheapest in the country anyway (North West) so property is much less compared to the rest of the UK, but in general yes.The FTB's are just not in a position to move quickly enough when up against investors ie: buy to let LL'sSeems to be because any deposits that were being saved are now worth less, so more saving is needed to raise the deposit and in the meantime, the property has sold.0
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But if a house can rent for 850pcm and you charge 650pcm (for same house) are you ripping off tenants?The Op could have looked to end the tenancy, kicked out the current tenant and re-let the house at a higher rate (current market rate).The existing tenant would loose their home and have to pay a higher market rate to get a new tenancy so be out of pocket. They are now in that position, can they afford to be?Whether it is fair to increase rent or not is a moot point, that is the position we as a society are in. In a market where there is excess supply, a tenant could likewise move out to a cheaper property.The price of a 2 bed flat depends on the area. Central Manchester is in excess of 1,000, but Barrow in Furness not as much.May you find your sister soon Helli.
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TripleH said:The price of a 2 bed flat depends on the area. Central Manchester is in excess of 1,000, but Barrow in Furness not as much.
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CurlySue2017 said:Mr_GoldMine said:london21 said:Mr_GoldMine said:Yes this tenant really is a slimy one... Wants to get away without paying rent, laughing in our faces... I don't want this tenant to be able to get any kind of credit or a mortgage, clearly can't be trusted.
Hitenancy started Jan 2016, basic checks were carried out and this tenant paid market rate (at the time of 550pcm) and he paid on time for five years. for five years there was no rent increase (i didnt increase it because we had a good relationship and understanding), in year 5 the market rate had eventually gone to 850pcm....so i had to increase it... and it was only in year 6 i sat down with him and and said i need to increase rent, we verbally agreed £650 (kept it low for him as goodwill), i got the paperwork ready followoing day and then he refused to sign and started to go all funny with me, relationship broke down, i assigned a letting agent to take over but the tenant evaded the agent, subsequently the tenant stopped paying on grounds of house needs repairs etc. as soon as he was 2 months in arrears i started the S8 process (Nov 2022). Had the court hearing beginning of June 2023, tnt no-show and judge granted the reposession along with the arrears as at june 2023 and a daily rate for the extra days the tenant is in.as soon as the 14 days were up, the following week, bailiff application was made.it is not clear when the bailiff will be attending so we can change the locks, it could take 8 - 12 weeks, it could be sooner.since the order has been made in the first week of june 2023, the tnt has been trying to call me and sending me messages asking for extension and to pay off arrears (without any rent increase) despite me informing in Aug 2022 all his communication should be directed to the assigned agent. If he wanted to pay any money then he could use the same bank details he has been paying into for more than 5 years...this TnT is now what seems to be conniving and has some agendas, cant be trusted any more..I'm interested in this part, in boldWhy did you have to increase the rent? The way you have worded it suggests that it was just to keep up with the current market, in which case, you didn't "have to" increase it at all, you chose to and there is a big difference
Now we have the Renters Reform Bill going through, something as a landlord I support, but if tenants want energy efficient houses then money needs to be spent on the existing PRS housing stock to make it more efficient. That costs money. Where does that money come from? Rent.5 -
Just to add our 2p
There are a lot of landlords out there that have kept their rents lower than market rate.
However, even we are having to consider raising them before the rent reform bill goes through close to market rate. Especially if that bill passed and penalises rent increases over a certain percentage.
I do feel for tenants across the country as there is a lot of uncertainty for them.
I can't see the situation getting any better soon.
Rents are rocketing in some areas and less rentals available with more demand is fueling these increases more and more as well as punitive selection processes. (many of which should be against the law but difficult to prove)
We will see a lot more homeless people.
Sorry OP here is my response to your issue.
That's interesting news that they run a coffee shop. I wonder if you have looked up the accounts to see how they are doing?
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MultiFuelBurner said:Just to add our 2p
There are a lot of landlords out there that have kept their rents lower than market rate.
However, even we are having to consider raising them before the rent reform bill goes through close to market rate. Especially if that bill passed and penalises rent increases over a certain percentage.
I do feel for tenants across the country as there is a lot of uncertainty for them.
I can't see the situation getting any better soon.
Rents are rocketing in some areas and less rentals available with more demand is fueling these increases more and more as well as punitive selection processes. (many of which should be against the law but difficult to prove)
We will see a lot more homeless people.
Sorry OP here is my response to your issue.
That's interesting news that they run a coffee shop. I wonder if you have looked up the accounts to see how they are doing?
coffee shop opened just after the start of the pandemic around May 2020, on comp house, it was registered July 2022.... theres only a start up file, no accounts yet. I know the business has done very well, intel from the community, google reviews etc and that it met the demands of the community, tnt even bought a range rover evoque 66 plate late 2021/early 2022.
i kept saying to myself : why is he evading the increased rent (even the discretionary amount of 650, not the market rate of 850), at that time tnt continued to pay 550 and ignored the £100 rent increase and i coulnt do anything due to my own circumstances, had a lot goin on.
when clearly this tnt doesnt seem to have cash flow problems.its even worrying if he is claiming housing benefit, i have reported him for fraud already.... just in case.0 -
I did tell my family at the time in 2021 that i knew what he was like (especially what character he turned into after he opened his business) and that if we went for any rent increase we would potentially get resistance and potentially we would fall out.
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I'm really suprised that some people have been giving the OP a hard time in this thread for his below market rate rent increase proposal... (well by some, it seems to predominantly be Grizebeck and CurlySue2017 flooding the thread).
I wonder if they'd hold the view that landlords should operate as charities should they ever become landlords themselves...
<edited to be a bit more polite>: this is very easy to say with the benefit of hindsight.BikingBud said:Based on the steady, long-term relationship the OP was receiving £6600 but has now lost out significantly with scope for yet still more losses. Is that sound business?
Fixing rent at the original price indefinitely because you're too scared to ever negotiate an increase is obviously not sound business. The OP could not have predicted their tenant would throw their toys out the pram and not agree to a below market-price increase - this was not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.
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Curly sue…..following on from a previous question I asked.
if you found a £50 note in the street and no one claimed it, would you sell it to me for £45 just because you found it and it didn’t cost you anything?
of course you wouldn’t.So can explain why the OP should do the equivalent? After all, he has something worth £850, why should he ‘sell’ it to the tenant for £550?1 -
Exodi said:I'm really suprised that some people have been giving the OP a hard time in this thread for his below market rate rent increase proposal... (well by some, it seems to predominantly be Grizebeck and CurlySue2017 flooding the thread).
I wonder if they'd hold the view that landlords should operate as charities should they ever become landlords themselves...
<edited to be a bit more polite>: this is very easy to say with the benefit of hindsight.BikingBud said:Based on the steady, long-term relationship the OP was receiving £6600 but has now lost out significantly with scope for yet still more losses. Is that sound business?
Fixing rent at the original price indefinitely because you're too scared to ever negotiate an increase is obviously not sound business. The OP could not have predicted their tenant would throw their toys out the pram and not agree to a below market-price increase - this was not unreasonable by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm not arguing with you, I was posting to the OP and they have made perfectly acceptable responses, I'm happy with that.0
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