Vendor uninstalling EV charging point

UnderOffer

@MultiFuelBurner here it is https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6418517/selling-changed-items-after-completion/p1

pinkshoes

Pendrive said:

UnderOffer said:

pinkshoes said:

Pendrive said:

Yes - I'm getting my current house ready to put on sale and trying to make sure people will see what they will get. I travelled quite a distance for two viewings and am quite unhappy this issue is only arising now.

So are you actually in a position to proceed with the sale if you haven't put your house on the market? 

Ultimately, the EA didn't know the particulars so had wrongly assumed that they EV charging point was included.

You can either adjust your offer to reflect the cost of putting a new one in (on the basis your accepted offer was before you found out that the EV point wasn't included) or you can accept their is no EV point, but make it clear that you will need documentation showing that an electrician has uninstalled the charging point and made safe the area.

I wondered this but assume they are proceeding without the need to sell, particularly if they’ve had a survey and are now in receipt of the fixtures and fittings form as appears to be progressing well for someone who might then need to sell and add months to the conveyancing to be able to actually exchange contracts? 

Sorry - I don't understand your comment, nor how it relates to the EV charger question.

Because if you're in a position to proceed you have much better negotiation leverage so it is entirely relevant.

If you haven't even got your house on the market then your offer isn't a strong one and you're not in much of a position to barter.

ThisIsWeird

MultiFuelBurner said:

That's why it's important to go through the TA10 fixtures and contents form with a eagle eye and add what you expect to be there.

Yes, indeed, and also as S62 says. It's all part of the recommended due diligence when buying a property. But that's not to say it's 'ok'.

How many buyers on here were given the recommendation by their conveyancing solicitor to check the property again after exchange of C for this reason? Not me. And not when MIL bought a place just last year. Is that advice conscientiously given by either EAs or solicitors these days?

It had never occurred to me to do this with any of my four house purchases, and neither was I advised to do this. It never occurred to me that what I could be walking in to on completion day could be any different to what I expected. It's only on this forum that I became aware of the risk.

Section62

ThisIsWeird said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

That's why it's important to go through the TA10 fixtures and contents form with a eagle eye and add what you expect to be there.

Yes, indeed, and also as S62 says. It's all part of the recommended due diligence when buying a property. But that's not to say it's 'ok'.

How many buyers on here were given the recommendation by their conveyancing solicitor to check the property again after exchange of C for this reason? Not me. And not when MIL bought a place just last year. Is that advice conscientiously given by either EAs or solicitors these days?

It had never occurred to me to do this with any of my four house purchases, and neither was I advised to do this. It never occurred to me that what I could be walking in to on completion day could be any different to what I expected. It's only on this forum that I became aware of the risk.

Not a great deal of point doing that... after exchange you are committed to completion. The main thing you'll gain is not having such a shock when you put the key in the door on completion day.

There's not a great deal you can do until after completion.  At that point, if the vendor has stripped the house you can start the process of asking m'learned friends to help you sort things out.

Bear in mind the root of this is breach of contract - not selling the property in the promised state - not crimes against taste and/or good manners.

Divorcing_Dad

ThisIsWeird said:

I am sure there are plenty normal EV owners too! (But I bet they're all cheesed off by their current running costs...)

If any EV owners are charging at standard tariffs, they're doing it completely and absolutely wrong.

There are rates as low as 4.5p overnight and yes, you do pay a bit more during the day (we fortunately offset as our house came with solar panels).

Divorcing_Dad

ThisIsWeird said:

Surely not ok! 

Where does that end?! Swap designer rads for std? Bespoke kitchen for a 2nd-hand jobbie from Facebook? The brand new boiler for ditto? All the oak doors for painted hardboard?

Provided you don't mention  the specifics of any of these fixtures, it's carte blanche?

(Reminds me - there was a case on here, a good while ago, where designer rads were taken! Can't recall how that ended up)

Oops! I'm replying to another of your posts.

As for how did it end up? Like most posts. Got hijacked, OP never came back. I'm guessing they just bent over and took it.

As someone said above, TA10 is not worth the paper it's written on. We had to chase our solicitors, because although all the paperwork said that the solar panels were included, we had to escalate to the director of the solicitors to actually get this acknowledged as without it being in the TA10, we couldn't actually persuade our supplier to flip the FIT to us.

The other thing about that thread is it shows the ambiguity about the TA10. It could have been filled out the day after viewing, at which point the seller had replaced the radiators. I've just read the description and help with the form. There's nothing in there to say anything about how presented. It just says "Radiators: Included, Excluded, None". They could have put something in the comments.....

At least with this particular issue, the OP has been made aware pretty much from the minute they got the TA10 through.

Section62

Divorcing_Dad said:

ThisIsWeird said:

Surely not ok! 

Where does that end?! Swap designer rads for std? Bespoke kitchen for a 2nd-hand jobbie from Facebook? The brand new boiler for ditto? All the oak doors for painted hardboard?

Provided you don't mention  the specifics of any of these fixtures, it's carte blanche?

(Reminds me - there was a case on here, a good while ago, where designer rads were taken! Can't recall how that ended up)

As for how did it end up? Like most posts. Got hijacked, OP never came back. I'm guessing they just bent over and took it.

OP came back several times through the thread.

I'd guess they are now busy negotiating with the vendor on the basis of the useful information they obtained here.  The outcome of that may not be known for several weeks.  Hopefully they will come back with an update.

Murphybear

ThisIsWeird said:

Lawdie, one of 'these' types of vendor The kind who try and keep the FIT on their PV system...

How was the CP described or shown in the selling partics? And was it mentioned at all in the SIP?

If no specific reference was made to it - or if it had been described, but with no mention of it being taken - then it surely should be considered a 'fixture' of the property, just like an outside water tap, power socket, or exterior light.

Yes, they can take any of these items, but only if it's made clear - ideally from the very beginning - but certainly in the SIP, that this was the intention.

What to do? Confirm whether it was mentioned, either as a feature in the partics (which you based your offer on), or as 'not included' in the SIP (which, if this comes as a surprise, you are entitled to negotiate on), and then decide what to do. 

How much is  the CP worth? What is the house worth? What is likely to happen if you legitimately challenge the vendor on this, and insist they leave it, or accept a suitable discount?

To answer part of your Q, it shouldn't be an issue - that I can think of - to leave the point  properly covered and isolated, and at least you'll have the cables there for what should be a quick and cheaper connection later on. But, wow, what is it about some folk?

Do they have personalised number plates? ( )

Will they take the light bulbs as well?  

Murphybear

Section62 said:

ThisIsWeird said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

That's why it's important to go through the TA10 fixtures and contents form with a eagle eye and add what you expect to be there.

Yes, indeed, and also as S62 says. It's all part of the recommended due diligence when buying a property. But that's not to say it's 'ok'.

How many buyers on here were given the recommendation by their conveyancing solicitor to check the property again after exchange of C for this reason? Not me. And not when MIL bought a place just last year. Is that advice conscientiously given by either EAs or solicitors these days?

It had never occurred to me to do this with any of my four house purchases, and neither was I advised to do this. It never occurred to me that what I could be walking in to on completion day could be any different to what I expected. It's only on this forum that I became aware of the risk.

Not a great deal of point doing that... after exchange you are committed to completion. The main thing you'll gain is not having such a shock when you put the key in the door on completion day.

There's not a great deal you can do until after completion.  At that point, if the vendor has stripped the house you can start the process of asking m'learned friends to help you sort things out.

Bear in mind the root of this is breach of contract - not selling the property in the promised state - not crimes against taste and/or good manners.

We bought a house once, very cheap.  The only thing in the kitchen was literally the kitchen sink  . It was a cash purchase so we didn’t care and it mad3 it much easier to put the new kitchen in