Vendor uninstalling EV charging point

Pendrive

Skiddaw1 said:

BikingBud said:

If they had a vintage front door they wished to remove, we would expect a level of activity to make good, the same applies here.

A close friend of mine took her vintage front door with her when she moved (they're planning to use it as a feature internal door in their current house at some point). She replaced it with a basic door from B&Q. Not that this has anything to do with the charging point!

I don't see a problem with any of this if people know when they go for viewings anything significant about how things will be different if they buy. If something is used as a selling point, though, which will be removed if the house is purchased, that should I feel be made clear for viewings. 

Pendrive

discat11 said:

Normally charging points in domestic dwelling are the 30amp version and cabling/ fuseway etc appropriate. As long as it's electrically isolated (easy enough to simply switch off the MCB and cap the end in a waterproof enclosure) then you can fit any suitable charger box to it at a later date. 
Mine was a very expensive box, but I doubt we'd go to the bother of taking it off if we moved -technology moves on and most of the cost IIRC was in the installation of the cable etc.

Thanks for this - another question I had in my mind was being left with cables and fixtures which then might have to be removed if technology had moved on when I might want to have another charger fitted; or which might limit choice of another charger.

Pendrive

ThisIsWeird said:

OP, was it mentioned, or 'obviously' photographed, in the EA's selling particulars?

Yes, pretty much anything can be removed and taken as long as this is made clear, but it would be very poor form to leave this unexpected info until the SIP stage, when the sale is well under way, and costs incurred.

At what stage were you actually informed the CP was being taken?

No - it wasn't mentioned or photographed - it was there when I went to view (it's quite prominent near the front door / integrated garage), and was pointed out by the EA's representative. I found out it was being taken when, after two separate viewings, I read the property information form and it was listed as being excluded from the fixtures and fittings included with the house. I telephoned the agent who contacted the vendor, who said it had cost £800 and they would be taking it with them, leaving the cabling etc inside the wall, with a plastic cover over the top. 

Yes - I thought it was pretty poor form and said so; though I haven't come across this question arising before of a vendor removing an electric vehicle charger - which is why I'm asking about it here now. I doubt I would ever have thought of doing that in the case of my own property - not least because I'd assume it would probably cost much the same to transfer it to a different property as having a new one fitted; and the latter might be better anyway if the technology had moved on a bit. But for all I knew, taking chargers to new homes might be a usual thing for people to do. So ... here I am asking about it...

Pendrive

Gavin83 said:

We have some designer lights and May possibly have some designer switches/sockets in the future. Were I to move I’d consider taking these with me. However I would take them down before any pictures were taken or viewings took place to avoid any confusion.

Yes - I'm getting my current house ready to put on sale and trying to make sure people will see what they will get. I travelled quite a distance for two viewings and am quite unhappy this issue is only arising now.

ThisIsWeird

Pendrive said:

ThisIsWeird said:

OP, was it mentioned, or 'obviously' photographed, in the EA's selling particulars?

Yes, pretty much anything can be removed and taken as long as this is made clear, but it would be very poor form to leave this unexpected info until the SIP stage, when the sale is well under way, and costs incurred.

At what stage were you actually informed the CP was being taken?

No - it wasn't mentioned or photographed - it was there when I went to view (it's quite prominent near the front door / integrated garage), and was pointed out by the EA's representative. I found out it was being taken when, after two separate viewings, I read the property information form and it was listed as being excluded from the fixtures and fittings included with the house. I telephoned the agent who contacted the vendor, who said it had cost £800 and they would be taking it with them, leaving the cabling etc inside the wall, with a plastic cover over the top. 

Yes - I thought it was pretty poor form and said so; though I haven't come across this question arising before of a vendor removing an electric vehicle charger - which is why I'm asking about it here now. I doubt I would ever have thought of doing that in the case of my own property - not least because I'd assume it would probably cost much the same to transfer it to a different property as having a new one fitted; and the latter might be better anyway if the technology had moved on a bit. But for all I knew, taking chargers to new homes might be a usual thing for people to do. So ... here I am asking about it...

£800 for all the hassle and ill-feeling. May I ask how much the property itself is costing?

And how committed are you to it - are you in a position to draw a line in the sand?

(There was a recent thread on here regarding the FIT for a PV system that the vendor suddenly decided they wanted to hold on to. The buyer made it clear that the offer they made on the property took into account all future earnings from the FIT, so they'd have to knock off a good few £k if they were to lose the future FIT. The vendor capitulated.)

jonnydeppiwish!

ThisIsWeird said:

Pendrive said:

ThisIsWeird said:

OP, was it mentioned, or 'obviously' photographed, in the EA's selling particulars?

Yes, pretty much anything can be removed and taken as long as this is made clear, but it would be very poor form to leave this unexpected info until the SIP stage, when the sale is well under way, and costs incurred.

At what stage were you actually informed the CP was being taken?

No - it wasn't mentioned or photographed - it was there when I went to view (it's quite prominent near the front door / integrated garage), and was pointed out by the EA's representative. I found out it was being taken when, after two separate viewings, I read the property information form and it was listed as being excluded from the fixtures and fittings included with the house. I telephoned the agent who contacted the vendor, who said it had cost £800 and they would be taking it with them, leaving the cabling etc inside the wall, with a plastic cover over the top. 

Yes - I thought it was pretty poor form and said so; though I haven't come across this question arising before of a vendor removing an electric vehicle charger - which is why I'm asking about it here now. I doubt I would ever have thought of doing that in the case of my own property - not least because I'd assume it would probably cost much the same to transfer it to a different property as having a new one fitted; and the latter might be better anyway if the technology had moved on a bit. But for all I knew, taking chargers to new homes might be a usual thing for people to do. So ... here I am asking about it...

£800 for all the hassle and ill-feeling. May I ask how much the property itself is costing?

And how committed are you to it - are you in a position to draw a line in the sand?

(There was a recent thread on here regarding the FIT for a PV system that the vendor suddenly decided they wanted to hold on to. The buyer made it clear that the offer they made on the property took into account all future earnings from the FIT, so they'd have to knock off a good few £k if they were to lose the future FIT. The vendor capitulated.)

The vendor wants to take it with them. There’s nothing wrong with this and it was declared they would be taking it with them. Whether you think it’s petty or enough to go back to the negotiating table is a moot point as it was always being taken.

Op, you need to decide whether the lack of an EV charging pint it going to affect you in the short and long term. 

Seriously though, for something of that value,, that was never included, just let it go.

ThisIsWeird

Indeed, JDIW. But my main issue with this - which I understand is shared by Pen - is that they were first made aware of this through reading the SIP, after having had their offer accepted, after having expended cost and energy, and after having had this 'fixture' pointed out more than once by the EA.

So it wasn't declared from the off, wasn't necessarily always going to be taken, so is not definitively a moot point. I would in fact suggest that when the EA was surveying the property, they would have naturally assumed it was remaining, and the vendor should also naturally assume that this would be the EA's assumption, so should have made it clear from the off. No?

Now, I don't know if the EA just assumed it was included - due to the fact it is a 'fixture' -  or whether the vendor changed their mind about it. The latter would make it a cheap move, even unscrupulous.

So, yes, Pen's call whether to let it go. I didn't recommend a particular path, but pointed out how another MSE member dealt with a similar cheapskate.

Pendrive

Op, you need to decide whether the lack of an EV charging pint it going to affect you in the short and long term. 

Seriously though, for something of that value,, that was never included, just let it go.

With respect, I think you need to read my posts again, because this misses the actual point entirely. 

Which is precisely your point of the possible effects of the removal of something built into an exterior wall, while leaving other parts of the installation within the wall behind.

As for 'always being taken', I travelled quite a way for two viewings with a rep of the EA who mentioned it as seemingly a selling point. It's fair to suggest that information should have been accurate rather earlier.

ThisIsWeird

Pendrive said:

Op, you need to decide whether the lack of an EV charging pint it going to affect you in the short and long term. 

Seriously though, for something of that value,, that was never included, just let it go.

With respect, I think you need to read my posts again, because this misses the actual point entirely. 

Which is precisely your point of the possible effects of the removal of something built into an exterior wall, while leaving other parts of the installation within the wall behind.

I wouldn't have any concerns - other than aesthetics - about that issue, Pen.

If you know the make of charger, you could even contact the manufacturer. But almost certainly they will have blanking plates, or another suitable cover could be provided, after the cabling is electrically isolated at the CU.

May I ask how much the house costs? I'm curious as to just how cheap your vendor is. Did you see their EV? Did it, erm, have personal plates... ;-)

ManuelG

It might have cost them £800, but surely the cost of removal and making safe is going to cost them at least a moderate proportion of that?