Full Fibre: How to connect to router upstairs?

CaptainRock · 31 May 2023 at 3:02PM

I'm no expert when it comes to wifi and routers etc. but I'm thinking of changing to full fibre.

I currently have a cable running up the stairs from the master socket which connects to the router that's in a bedroom.

If I have full fibre coming into the house, I'm guessing that the current master socket will be removed and a new socket for full fibre will be installed?

I then have to have a cable (what type of cable will I need?) to run up the stairs to the router without losing any speed, unless there is another way of doing this?

Thanks

HaroldWhistler · 31 May 2023 at 5:49PM

Firstly, definitely go for Full Fibre. It makes a big difference. The installation process will involve a new Optical Network Terminal (ONT) on the inside of the house. The broadband provider will arrange for the wholesale provider (e.g. Openreach, CityFibre, B4RN etc) to bring the full fibre wire to a small box on the outside wall of the property from the nearest node (for example on the nearby telephone/electricity pole). They will then feed this in to the property and connect that to the ONT (think of this as your new master socket which you interact with).

The ONT is usually a small thin square shaped box on the inside wall. About 20cm by 20cm. It will have a power cable that will be plugged into a regular power socket. And the Fibre optic cable that was drilled into the house will input into the ONT. It replaces the old Master socket. The ONT will then have a connection point for your Router.

Your router will connect to this new ONT using an Ethernet cable. You can either have your Router situated right next to the ONT, or run your own long Ethernet cable from the ONT directly to your Router elsewhere in the house.

The best way to not lose any speed would be a wired connection. There are a few options. First, it is important as to what the incoming internet speed is into the house. Think of the internet speed like the water pressure into the home. You can then pick a suitable cable to deliver said speed over the distance. There are some countries where they run plastic optical fibre within a home (which require a power supply for the conversion point), though in most cases, an Ethernet Cable will do just fine. "Cat 7" ethernet cables of various colours/designs are available on places like Amazon for varying lengths. These can be run along a skirting board.

The best way to get speed around the home is ethernet (or fibre) wiring. But there are certainly very good options that are either wireless, or use the existing home electrical network. Alternative methods that are less direct to "disperse" your fabulous full fibre connection include the following:

Network devices like Mesh systems or Routers that you can buy usually have more powerful antennas to provide a powerful signal throughout the home. You can build for instance a Wifi 6 network. They do not have to be expensive. Simply check the speed that a product is capable of versus what you get into the house and what you need on average around the house.

If the Broadband product speed is anywhere up to around 300Mbps, then you could try one of the following solutions:

1. BT Home Mesh Wifi 3 pack (around £129) - You connect the first disc into your main existing router. A second can go somewhere else downstairs, and the third one upstairs. The second and third "satellite" discs simply need to be plugged in to a power socket. You then turn your Wifi off on your main Vodafone router. The discs should then "Mesh" together as a seamless new Wifi network.

2. Powerline system (a 2 pack can be had for usually around £70, and a 3 pack for around the £100 mark, possibly cheaper depending on if there are offers from places like Amazon, Curry's etc). This uses your existing home electrical wiring to spread the internet connection around the home. You simply connect (by ethernet cable) the first Powerline unit into your main existing Router. Then follow the setup instructions to sync those up to your other Powerline nodes. Those nodes merely need to be plugged in to a power socket upstairs. And a Wifi signal will be broadcast from that node upstairs. This will mean you can bypass obstacles like walls. The technology has a slight limitation in that it usually cannot get to speeds above 150Mbps and may slow down to around 60 to 80Mbps if there are many appliances running in the house at the same time (e.g. the oven, microwaves, vacuum cleaner etc). TP Linkseem to be highly rated. Although you can keep the same Wifi name and password and devices will automatically connect, do note there may be a slight delay if you cross between upstairs and downstairs as technically speaking there are two different wireless networks in the house and a device hops off one and onto another.

3. Powerline Mesh system (possibly around £150 to £300) - Works the same way as (2), but the wireless signal that comes out of each node meshes together as a single network rather than having two separate wireless networks upstairs and downstairs. In this scenario, some products are such that the first node can also be used as the Router as well and you can simply disconnect your Vodafone router altogether. Or you can keep your Router and just use them as Wifi points around the home (remember to turn your Vodafone router's Wifi off in that case). Products include the TP Link Deco systems.

If the speed of the Broadband is over 300Mbps and under 500Mbps, you could try a different type of Mesh system:

4. Asus Zen XT8 Wifi 6 Mesh system - a two pack is around £400. This is a great Wifi 6 Mesh system that will work in a similar fashion to (1) though is more powerful. It has a dedicated "backhaul" signal to communicate between the network itself (between the node downstairs and the node upstairs) which should give you higher speeds, less delays etc. The initial downstairs node can either be plugged in to the Vodafone router, or replace it altogether.

If the speed of the Broadband is up to 700Mbps:

5. Asus Zen XT8 (as in 4) Mesh system

If the speed of the Broadband is close to 900Mbps/Gigabit:

6. Asus Zen XT12 Mesh system - works exactly like (4), but slightly more advanced. Well reviewed. A two pack usually costs around £500 to £650 depending on offers. Can be used with the Vodafone router, or completely replace it.

8. Netgear Orbi Wifi 6 Mesh system - works similar to (7). Famous for its range, and its crazy price. A 3 pack usually costs around £700. Can be used with the Vodafone router, or completely replace it.

For any of the Internet speeds, you could also theoretically buy your own Router which would usually provide a more powerful signal than the typical broadband ISP supplied router. As to whether it fully reaches the whole house wirelessly by itself, will depend on the walls of the house:

9. TP Link Wifi 6 AX3000 router - usually costs around £90 - Depending on the size of the house, one router may be enough to rule them all. Can technically speaking create a Mesh network by adding more TP link products to it which creates one network (e.g. a TP Link Deco Powerline node upstairs).

10. Amplifi Alien Router - one of them costs around £400 - Depending on the size of the property, one of these might be enough to cover the whole house wirelessly. It is simple to use with a touchscreen as well. I would say however that it isn't the best value if more units are needed. Can be used as a replacement Router, or connected to your existing Vodafone router.

11. A Netgear Wifi 6 router - different models cost between £200 to £450 depending on offers and what sort of speed you need. If the model you see is faster than your Internet speed, then you wouldn't need to go for a "faster" more expensive one.

There are also "Wifi 6E" routers and Mesh systems available, but three things should be noted:

1. They are rather expensive

2. The real benefit of the 6Ghz band is only experienced on client devices (computers, phones, tablets etc) that are capable of interacting on that band. Other devices do not benefit. Whereas a Wifi 6 system does have network benefits for the overall network even if client devices are not Wifi 6.

3. The new Wifi 7 standard is coming around next year and will improve upon Wifi 6 in terms of overall network performance (which older devices benefit from), will include the new 6Ghz band (for new devices), but importantly have new technology that will benefit every device in terms of range performance of each satellite node. Probably better to save the difference between a Wifi 6 and 6E system today for then.

unforeseen · 31 May 2023 at 6:51PM

Just to note that if you are using an ISP that uses Open reach infrastructure then you can normally ask that the fibre enters the property where you wish, within reason.
Therefore you can have the fibre connection enter the house on the first floor if you have somewhere suitable close to a power socket.

CaptainRock · 31 May 2023 at 7:21PM

Thanks for the replies, especially @HaroldWhistler for yours

HaroldWhistler · 13 June 2023 at 8:02PM

CaptainRock said:

Thanks for the replies, especially @HaroldWhistler for yours

You're welcome!

Peter999_2 · 13 June 2023 at 8:51PM

That's a great and informative post HaroldWhistler.

Otisregrets · 30 January at 7:25PM

Best avoid fiber if your just ordinary householder : " email some films etc not a gaming hot bed"

The big issue is Open reach provider will not talk to you as a consumer

Geography: Lesson fibre they drill into the house connect the fiber to a box called an ONT ( optical doodah )

Now $64000 question Where does the router go ? on your window cill ? ah needs to be near power point Lets see Oh need optical line of sight OK your confined to the same room Somewhere ! Your now limited to wifi ( thats radio waves to your pc to go on line) Thats your lot

If you want it somewhere else ( your office/ bedroom/upstairs )

Or maybe you have a wired more reliable house ethernet network where the router would need to be ( plug pc into the ethernet socket anywhere in the house )

Your stuffed ! Except Floor boards up to run a further physical ethernet cable from the optical box to where ever you want the router to be.

Foolish me I ran a future proof fiber cable under my floor boards for that very purpose Now it appears these cables cannot be joined by open reach Or can they ? Try asking open reach

Dumb terminal

iniltous · 30 January at 9:37PM

The last post is utter nonsense, as far as the OP question, @unforeseen has provided the answer , there is no reason the ONT needs to be near the existing master socket if that’s not what you want , ask for the ONT to be upstairs, if that’s where the router is required , the fibre can almost certainly be brought into the house at the first floor level , if served from a telegraph pole this may well be less work for the installer so unlikely to be rejected, if served underground it may be trickier but not impossible the cable running up the wall from where the underground service appears.

Neil_Jones · 30 January at 9:40PM

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81862571#Comment_81862571

What are you talking about?

Openreach have never spoken to you as a consumer because you are not their consumer. The ISPs are their customers (which is what I think you mean). Not you. If you have a problem with something on an Openreach network, you tell your ISP and they tell Openreach who will come and fix it.

As to where does the router go, it needs a power socket, well it tells you that when you order it. The existing router already needs a power point, and if you only have one plug well we have these amazing things called extension cables ;)

The wifi? Yeah you are not "limited" to that at all. If you need it in another room there are solutions. Run a network cable, use Homeplug to name but two.

Why have you run fiber cable everywhere? What was the point of that? You'd have done better to run ethernet cable.