We Need to Change your Meter

Krakkkers

What company paid you that? i am with EON at the moment.

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Krakkkers said:

What company paid you that? i am with EON at the moment.

Octopus. The standard SEG is 15p/kWh with higher export prices for Agile Outgoing and Flux.

jrawle

spireman said:

I have many questions but the main two are;
1. Is it really necessary to replace older electricity meters or was this just a sales pitch?

Without wishing to get drawn into the debate on smart meters which is (yet again) featuring in this forum, you can check for yourself how long your meter has left by looking it up on the list of certification periods. Your meter will have labels telling you the model of meter, and the date it was installed. I think this is the correct document below. The first column is the model number and the last column the certification period.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1156107/schedule-4-may-2023.pdf

When I checked mine, it has a 40 year certification period, which means it is valid until 2027. Yet they have been badgering me for years about changing it, claiming it's "outdated and must be replaced". I'm not saying there is anything necessarily wrong with a smart meter, but to answer your question about whether it's just a sales pitch, the answer is yes, in some cases.

In my case, I'll hopefully soon be able to switch to a single supplier for gas and electricity (finally) and can then consider smart meters. I would like them installed at the same time by the same supplier to increase the chance of them working correctly together, and to only have the hassle of a single appointment.

hareng

jrawle said:

spireman said:

I have many questions but the main two are;
1. Is it really necessary to replace older electricity meters or was this just a sales pitch?

Without wishing to get drawn into the debate on smart meters which is (yet again) featuring in this forum, you can check for yourself how long your meter has left by looking it up on the list of certification periods. Your meter will have labels telling you the model of meter, and the date it was installed. I think this is the correct document below. The first column is the model number and the last column the certification period.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1156107/schedule-4-may-2023.pdf

When I checked mine, it has a 40 year certification period, which means it is valid until 2027. Yet they have been badgering me for years about changing it, claiming it's "outdated and must be replaced". I'm not saying there is anything necessarily wrong with a smart meter, but to answer your question about whether it's just a sales pitch, the answer is yes, in some cases.

Energy companies have to meet their quota or be penalised. When they have a punter who wont comply, its well known the biggies pull that stunt.

Thanks for the link no maker name on mine but did notice C11B2 -H thats unlisted. last Tested 2006, bar code 1985 but house was built early 84. So 40 years old next year, not once in the last 7 years have my energy provider (a non biggy) uttered a change of meters by 'Age or end of shelf life.' Just get bombarded with SMS twice a day cannot block but cured the constant landline harassment by dropping it.

Yes mechanicals wear so do digital with inbuilt mechanicals fact, not to mention stuff not built as well last 25 years.

matt_drummer

What do you think the energy companies should do?

They need to change THEIR meters to smart meters as instructed.

They have suggested that you might like one, no takers.

They have now told you that the meters need changing, still no takers.

What next?

How do they convince you to allow them to change THEIR meters for something they are required to do?



If its not clear, the meters belong to THEM, NOT YOU.


What would you do if you were an energy company that is required to fit smart meters but their customers keep saying I dont want them?

GingerTim

matt_drummer said:

What do you think the energy companies should do?

They need to change THEIR meters to smart meters as instructed.

They have suggested that you might like one, no takers.

They have now told you that the meters need changing, still no takers.

What next?

How do they convince you to allow them to change THEIR meters for something they are required to do?



If its not clear, the meters belong to THEM, NOT YOU.


What would you do if you were an energy company that is required to fit smart meters but their customers keep saying I dont want them?

I would put all those still on dumb meters/those who haven't requested a smart meter by a certain point on an electricity tariff with a £1.50/day standing charge and a 75p/kwh rate.

(I'm convinced that some form of tariff like that for refuseniks, perhaps not quite as punitive, isn't a million years away).

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GingerTim said:

matt_drummer said:

What do you think the energy companies should do?

They need to change THEIR meters to smart meters as instructed.

They have suggested that you might like one, no takers.

They have now told you that the meters need changing, still no takers.

What next?

How do they convince you to allow them to change THEIR meters for something they are required to do?



If its not clear, the meters belong to THEM, NOT YOU.


What would you do if you were an energy company that is required to fit smart meters but their customers keep saying I dont want them?

I would put all those still on dumb meters/those who havent requested a smart meter by a certain point on an electricity tariff with a £1.50/day standing charge and a 75p/kwh rate.

(I'm convinced that some form of tariff like that, perhaps not quite as punitive, isn't a million years away).

The French are already ahead of us:

‘People who refuse the installation of a Linky smart meter at their property in France after January 2023 will face paying an extra €50 per year, it has been confirmed, with up to 3.8 million people affected.

This equates to an “surplus” cost of €8.30 every two months, from January 1, 2023. This will total €49.80 over the course of a year.

The figure comes after a public consultation and report into the issue by la Commission de régulation de l'énergie (CRE) energy commission. 

The extra fee will be levied because technicians from electricity national grid managing firm Enedis will still have to check the “old generation” meters on-site, rather than have the readings automatically sent via the new system. 

Although 90% of households are already estimated to have the smart meters installed, the extra fees could affect up to 3.8 million people.’

matt_drummer

GingerTim said:

I would put all those still on dumb meters/those who havent requested a smart meter by a certain point on an electricity tariff with a £1.50/day standing charge and a 75p/kwh rate.

(I'm convinced that some form of tariff like that, perhaps not quite as punitive, isn't a million years away).

I agree.

Just fine them, anybody standing in the way of this should be made to pay.

They are just obstructing companies from carrying out the work they have been instructed to carry out.

The meters belong to the energy supplier and they should be able to fit whatever equipment they deem necessary.

Consumers putting obstacles in the way because of their own misguided views should be penalised until they comply.

Smart meters are just energy meters of a modern variety, there is no reasonable excuse for not having them fitted.

debitcardmayhem

As an aside if you have a phone contract which allows free evening and weekend calls et al eg free calls to mobiles , you don't have a meter at home so are you going to complain that your landline provider shouldn't be able to monitor the type and time of calls you make? What wouldd you have them do fit a coin box in your house and press button A to connect and B to return your change.

I wonder at times where these anti smart people get their theories.

gbhxu

I'm getting the same thing from Eon Next.

Their carrot to get my meter changed is a measly Costa Coffee or they'll plant a tree for you somewhere. A few thousand quid and I might consider it.

My old "clock" meter works perfectly.

As the saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."