Heating and Cooling for the Next House - Solar - PV - Heat Pumps - AC

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  • bhjm
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    bhjm said:
    Hiya bhjm. No problem with advice, hope it helps. But bear in mind most of this is my opinion, so other thoughts and options may be better. At least you have some time to think about it all.

    So, what's a consumer unit? Have you heard the term 'fusebox', I've added a link just so you can see what I mean. So these handle the distribution of power within the house. Rather than just run a simple cable to the garage, you might be better off installing a small consumer unit (ironically, often referred to as a 'garage unit'), so that the garage can then have a set of circuits, such as lights, sockets, PV and car charger. I've separated the car charger from the normal power sockets, as you might be better off having a dedicated high power cable for it, in fact it may even be a requirement.


    ok - got it. the consumer unit  is for me nothing else than a fuse box :-D and yes - separate cable for a BEV which is more powerful is definitely a consideration. 

    Looks like there is room to run a cable from your house to garage, I'm just wondering what 'rights' you have to install cables along communal places/paths. This is something you'll need to check, but hopefully it'll be ok. Also wondering if there are some rules about the garage as it's a shared building. maybe you can add PV to the middle part, or you may need agreement from the two neighbours too. I've no idea to be honest. But really worth considering, as your part is presumably over 2m wide, so hopefully 4 panels may fit, or two long panels. And as it's a single storey roof, it's quicker and easy to work on. But (sorry for all the but's, I'm typing and thinking at the same time) .... if the garage PV is a totally separate system, then you might want to think about adding it at a later date, though I'd hope you'd get a better price for doing both at the same time.
    the path to the garage itself is not communal area, it`s solely my use. The Garage is, as you correctly identified a shared Garage. Would you know what kind of restrictions there may be could be in place that I am not allowed to put PV on the garage? Do I need my Neighbors consent on a legal basis if it is just on my area of the Garage? The ethical and good neighborhood spirit is certainly excluded from my question ;-) Should there something in the deed? Separate at a later date. Maybe, I think to get it done initially, and than adding the PV to the house if I do it in 2 stages, ideally, finances allowing of course, I would do it all in one go.

    I agree with your general findings about ASHP and A2A. So long as the units aren't too close to a neighbour, or too powerful and possibly noisy, then you should be OK. But I've heard people say that installing a second A2A unit will reguire PP. Sorry to be vague, but that's how the UK planning rules tend to work, they give a general OK ..... so long as ........ with rules that sometimes leave you wondering if you comply or not. If in doubt you can check with the local authority planning department, but their advice may be confusing too.


    a reputable installer from the area should be able to answer these question or would it be only the local council? (sorry I am new into house owning in the UK.
    Looking longer term, I agree about the hot water. If the current boiler works, and provides heat and DHW, then settle into the house and enjoy it. If after getting PV, and perhaps an A2A unit, you find it works well, then in the future you could think about the hybrid idea I've been pondering, or even replace the gas boiler with an ASHP, that runs the rads and the hot water tank.
    yes, that is probably what I am gonna do and see what will happen and how long the boiler may last. May be a bit life extending when I can heat with the AC - Can I call an AC actually an A2A heat pump?
    Hiya. Hopefully there will be something in the deed or that you can look up with Land Registry (but I'm really guessing now). Hopefully you can speak to the neighbours and see what they think/say .... but .... looks like their roofs aren't suitable as the area is small due to the garage having a hip roof so only yours is viable. This may mean they are more negative about it, and raise concerns about you damaging the roof.

    Of course, you may also find that they are great neighbours, and are more than happy for you to do it. I hope so.
    my solicitor came back with the following. 
    " I can confirm there is a restriction which prohibits you making  any alterations to the external appearance of the property without first obtaining covenant consent. As solar panels would alter the external appearance you should seek covenant consent prior to the installation."
    referring to this paragraph/section in the deed. I am, again, not native in english. But is my solicitor right? as the "external appearance" in her reply is not in the deed itself?

  • Grandad2b
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    That looks pretty comprehensive - you need permission to change the exterior appearance.

  • bhjm
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    Grandad2b said:
    That looks pretty comprehensive - you need permission to change the exterior appearance.

    is it saying the appearance or it it assummed it means that?
  • Martyn1981
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    bhjm said:
    bhjm said:
    Hiya bhjm. No problem with advice, hope it helps. But bear in mind most of this is my opinion, so other thoughts and options may be better. At least you have some time to think about it all.

    So, what's a consumer unit? Have you heard the term 'fusebox', I've added a link just so you can see what I mean. So these handle the distribution of power within the house. Rather than just run a simple cable to the garage, you might be better off installing a small consumer unit (ironically, often referred to as a 'garage unit'), so that the garage can then have a set of circuits, such as lights, sockets, PV and car charger. I've separated the car charger from the normal power sockets, as you might be better off having a dedicated high power cable for it, in fact it may even be a requirement.


    ok - got it. the consumer unit  is for me nothing else than a fuse box :-D and yes - separate cable for a BEV which is more powerful is definitely a consideration. 

    Looks like there is room to run a cable from your house to garage, I'm just wondering what 'rights' you have to install cables along communal places/paths. This is something you'll need to check, but hopefully it'll be ok. Also wondering if there are some rules about the garage as it's a shared building. maybe you can add PV to the middle part, or you may need agreement from the two neighbours too. I've no idea to be honest. But really worth considering, as your part is presumably over 2m wide, so hopefully 4 panels may fit, or two long panels. And as it's a single storey roof, it's quicker and easy to work on. But (sorry for all the but's, I'm typing and thinking at the same time) .... if the garage PV is a totally separate system, then you might want to think about adding it at a later date, though I'd hope you'd get a better price for doing both at the same time.
    the path to the garage itself is not communal area, it`s solely my use. The Garage is, as you correctly identified a shared Garage. Would you know what kind of restrictions there may be could be in place that I am not allowed to put PV on the garage? Do I need my Neighbors consent on a legal basis if it is just on my area of the Garage? The ethical and good neighborhood spirit is certainly excluded from my question ;-) Should there something in the deed? Separate at a later date. Maybe, I think to get it done initially, and than adding the PV to the house if I do it in 2 stages, ideally, finances allowing of course, I would do it all in one go.

    I agree with your general findings about ASHP and A2A. So long as the units aren't too close to a neighbour, or too powerful and possibly noisy, then you should be OK. But I've heard people say that installing a second A2A unit will reguire PP. Sorry to be vague, but that's how the UK planning rules tend to work, they give a general OK ..... so long as ........ with rules that sometimes leave you wondering if you comply or not. If in doubt you can check with the local authority planning department, but their advice may be confusing too.


    a reputable installer from the area should be able to answer these question or would it be only the local council? (sorry I am new into house owning in the UK.
    Looking longer term, I agree about the hot water. If the current boiler works, and provides heat and DHW, then settle into the house and enjoy it. If after getting PV, and perhaps an A2A unit, you find it works well, then in the future you could think about the hybrid idea I've been pondering, or even replace the gas boiler with an ASHP, that runs the rads and the hot water tank.
    yes, that is probably what I am gonna do and see what will happen and how long the boiler may last. May be a bit life extending when I can heat with the AC - Can I call an AC actually an A2A heat pump?
    Hiya. Hopefully there will be something in the deed or that you can look up with Land Registry (but I'm really guessing now). Hopefully you can speak to the neighbours and see what they think/say .... but .... looks like their roofs aren't suitable as the area is small due to the garage having a hip roof so only yours is viable. This may mean they are more negative about it, and raise concerns about you damaging the roof.

    Of course, you may also find that they are great neighbours, and are more than happy for you to do it. I hope so.
    my solicitor came back with the following. 
    " I can confirm there is a restriction which prohibits you making  any alterations to the external appearance of the property without first obtaining covenant consent. As solar panels would alter the external appearance you should seek covenant consent prior to the installation."
    referring to this paragraph/section in the deed. I am, again, not native in english. But is my solicitor right? as the "external appearance" in her reply is not in the deed itself?

    Sorry, I'm way out of my depth now. But personally I wouldn't do anything without first chatting with the neighbours and seeing how they feel. Maybe make friends, then start to slip in the idea. On the plus side, the panels won't be particularly visible from the front of the garage, only from the upper windows on the back of the houses, but people can be funny, especially us Brits!
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  • Nick_Dr1
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    my solicitor came back with the following. 
    " I can confirm there is a restriction which prohibits you making  any alterations to the external appearance of the property without first obtaining covenant consent. As solar panels would alter the external appearance you should seek covenant consent prior to the installation."
    referring to this paragraph/section in the deed. I am, again, not native in english. But is my solicitor right? as the "external appearance" in her reply is not in the deed itself?

    Why the specification that the French have to give consent to add buildings??
  • bhjm
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    bhjm said:
    bhjm said:
    Hiya bhjm. No problem with advice, hope it helps. But bear in mind most of this is my opinion, so other thoughts and options may be better. At least you have some time to think about it all.

    So, what's a consumer unit? Have you heard the term 'fusebox', I've added a link just so you can see what I mean. So these handle the distribution of power within the house. Rather than just run a simple cable to the garage, you might be better off installing a small consumer unit (ironically, often referred to as a 'garage unit'), so that the garage can then have a set of circuits, such as lights, sockets, PV and car charger. I've separated the car charger from the normal power sockets, as you might be better off having a dedicated high power cable for it, in fact it may even be a requirement.


    ok - got it. the consumer unit  is for me nothing else than a fuse box :-D and yes - separate cable for a BEV which is more powerful is definitely a consideration. 

    Looks like there is room to run a cable from your house to garage, I'm just wondering what 'rights' you have to install cables along communal places/paths. This is something you'll need to check, but hopefully it'll be ok. Also wondering if there are some rules about the garage as it's a shared building. maybe you can add PV to the middle part, or you may need agreement from the two neighbours too. I've no idea to be honest. But really worth considering, as your part is presumably over 2m wide, so hopefully 4 panels may fit, or two long panels. And as it's a single storey roof, it's quicker and easy to work on. But (sorry for all the but's, I'm typing and thinking at the same time) .... if the garage PV is a totally separate system, then you might want to think about adding it at a later date, though I'd hope you'd get a better price for doing both at the same time.
    the path to the garage itself is not communal area, it`s solely my use. The Garage is, as you correctly identified a shared Garage. Would you know what kind of restrictions there may be could be in place that I am not allowed to put PV on the garage? Do I need my Neighbors consent on a legal basis if it is just on my area of the Garage? The ethical and good neighborhood spirit is certainly excluded from my question ;-) Should there something in the deed? Separate at a later date. Maybe, I think to get it done initially, and than adding the PV to the house if I do it in 2 stages, ideally, finances allowing of course, I would do it all in one go.

    I agree with your general findings about ASHP and A2A. So long as the units aren't too close to a neighbour, or too powerful and possibly noisy, then you should be OK. But I've heard people say that installing a second A2A unit will reguire PP. Sorry to be vague, but that's how the UK planning rules tend to work, they give a general OK ..... so long as ........ with rules that sometimes leave you wondering if you comply or not. If in doubt you can check with the local authority planning department, but their advice may be confusing too.


    a reputable installer from the area should be able to answer these question or would it be only the local council? (sorry I am new into house owning in the UK.
    Looking longer term, I agree about the hot water. If the current boiler works, and provides heat and DHW, then settle into the house and enjoy it. If after getting PV, and perhaps an A2A unit, you find it works well, then in the future you could think about the hybrid idea I've been pondering, or even replace the gas boiler with an ASHP, that runs the rads and the hot water tank.
    yes, that is probably what I am gonna do and see what will happen and how long the boiler may last. May be a bit life extending when I can heat with the AC - Can I call an AC actually an A2A heat pump?
    Hiya. Hopefully there will be something in the deed or that you can look up with Land Registry (but I'm really guessing now). Hopefully you can speak to the neighbours and see what they think/say .... but .... looks like their roofs aren't suitable as the area is small due to the garage having a hip roof so only yours is viable. This may mean they are more negative about it, and raise concerns about you damaging the roof.

    Of course, you may also find that they are great neighbours, and are more than happy for you to do it. I hope so.
    my solicitor came back with the following. 
    " I can confirm there is a restriction which prohibits you making  any alterations to the external appearance of the property without first obtaining covenant consent. As solar panels would alter the external appearance you should seek covenant consent prior to the installation."
    referring to this paragraph/section in the deed. I am, again, not native in english. But is my solicitor right? as the "external appearance" in her reply is not in the deed itself?

    Sorry, I'm way out of my depth now. But personally I wouldn't do anything without first chatting with the neighbours and seeing how they feel. Maybe make friends, then start to slip in the idea. On the plus side, the panels won't be particularly visible from the front of the garage, only from the upper windows on the back of the houses, but people can be funny, especially us Brits!
    Brit`s are funny? maybe ;-)
  • bhjm
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    Nick_Dr1 said:

    my solicitor came back with the following. 
    " I can confirm there is a restriction which prohibits you making  any alterations to the external appearance of the property without first obtaining covenant consent. As solar panels would alter the external appearance you should seek covenant consent prior to the installation."
    referring to this paragraph/section in the deed. I am, again, not native in english. But is my solicitor right? as the "external appearance" in her reply is not in the deed itself?

    Why the specification that the French have to give consent to add buildings??
    French = Home Builder - Barrat Homes / David Wilson Homes
  • bhjm
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    so - the House Builder came back with


    "Ref your enquiry regarding alterations/solar panels due to the Restrictive Covenants on the Development which your solicitor will have documented permission is required by both DWH and the Local Authority. This will require drawings of such proposals.
     Once authorisation from the Local Authority has been provided this will need to be sent to DWH with the required request for permission."


  • bhjm
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    and the council came also back

    Thank you for your email. As we no longer operate a duty officer service, we are unable to advise on such matters. All the information you require should be freely available on the Planning Portal. By using the interactive house, you will be able to see the guidelines for many small scale project. 

    https://interactive.planningportal.co.uk/

    Further detailed information on a specific project is available via our pre-app service. Details are on our website.

  • QrizB
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    bhjm said:
    Grandad2b said:
    That looks pretty comprehensive - you need permission to change the exterior appearance.
    is it saying the appearance or it it assummed it means that?
    It specifically says "no alterations may be made to the exterior of the property" which would include solar panels, outside units for heat pumps - in essence, everything on your wish list from your original post except infrared heating (unless you were thinking of heating the garden).
    If you want to make these changes, I'd suggest looking for a different property with fewer restrictive covenants.
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