Re Scottish power saying meters need changing?

mmmmikey

CSI_Yorkshire said:

mmmmikey said:

Not sure if it's just me, but I've formed the impression that out there in the real world away from thid forum there is far less resistance to smart meters than there has been previously. I'm not sure if this is because there are so many smart meters out there now that people have realised that they're just another type of meter and no big deal, or whether it's because escalating prices have forced people to engage more and they've seen the potential benefits. Or a combination, or something else?

There are always going to people dig their heels and refuse to see what's in front of them, and others who will cut off their nose to spite their face. As well of course as the cranks and loonies who think their children will grow three heads if they go anywhere near a smart meter. Again, not sure if it's just me but the sense I have is that's the sort of resistance we're seeing mostly now on this forum?

I can think of legitimate practical reasons for choosing not to have a smart meter yet, and of course there are also legitimate political reasons that whilst I personally disagree with are nevertheless legitimate. But we don't seem to seeing as much of that - recent objections seem to be based on ignorance, stubborness and conspiracy theories.

Maybe the tide has just about turned and the noise will fade out rapidly now and die?

I'm on an E7 tariff with British Gas for a start.

Yes, exactly - that's exactly the sort of reason I was referring to. I delayed getting a smart meter because there were comms issues with the first few that were installed in the street and I didn't want to make the switch until the issues were resolved. There must still be people in borderline areas with the same concerns. And for some people with solar panels it may be advantageous to stay with current metering arrangements and delay metered export. And probably other good reasons. But as this thread demonstrates there are also people holding back based on a lack of understanding, belief in some of the conspiracy theories and in some cases sheer boody-mindedness.

joesoap1264

CSI_Yorkshire said:

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.

You do know that isn't what democracy means?

I know, but we were not given a vote on it.
If voting changed things for the better, it would be banned😉😉
Cheers csi.
Got same problem with remote readings on yorkshirewater meter.
Had that removed!
Technology is good, when it works right .

Qyburn

joesoap1264 said:

every house should have been fitted if they were that good !

I love that one.

"I don't want you to fit a smart meter because if they were any good you'd have already fitted one"

macman

joesoap1264 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.

You do know that isn't what democracy means?

I know, but we were not given a vote on it.
If voting changed things for the better, it would be banned😉😉
Cheers csi.
Got same problem with remote readings on yorkshirewater meter.
Had that removed!
Technology is good, when it works right .

So what is the 'disaster' that can befall a smart meter owner? The worst that can happen is that it does not work and you revert to giving readings as if it were a dumb meter.
As for democracy being 'everyone makes their own choices', I think you are confused: that sounds more like anarchy.
You seriously expected the gov't to hold a referendum on the roll-out of smart meters?

[Deleted User]

macman said:

joesoap1264 said:

CSI_Yorkshire said:

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.

You do know that isn't what democracy means?

I know, but we were not given a vote on it.
If voting changed things for the better, it would be banned😉😉
Cheers csi.
Got same problem with remote readings on yorkshirewater meter.
Had that removed!
Technology is good, when it works right .

So what is the 'disaster' that can befall a smart meter owner? The worst that can happen is that it does not work and you revert to giving readings as if it were a dumb meter.
As for democracy being 'everyone makes their own choices', I think you are confused: that sounds more like anarchy.
You seriously expected the gov't to hold a referendum on the roll-out of smart meters?

You have clearly forgotten the BBC Watchdog coverage in 2016 of smart meters causing house fires!

The truth was very different: there were 16 reports out of 3M smart meter installations where it seemed likely that a meter tail had not been tightened properly resulting in a terminal melting. The same thing could have happened if it had been an analogue meter change but this got lost in the noise of a sensational but baseless story. Installers have had a lot more installation practice since then. Based on the number of smart meters installed, can we conclude that smart meters are now ‘good using the OP’s criterion.

joesoap1264

My original question was not about the benefit of new smart meters.
it was the e mail.
URGENT WARNING !
your meter is over 15 years old and urgently needs changing, it could be a safety hazard!!!
we will do your gas as well if dual fuel, so the emphasis is on the lecky metering would have thought gas would be more dangerous than lecky?

the first batch of smart meters are 12 years old.
are they all due to become dangerous and need changing in 3+ years time?
I have no problems with smart meters, it’s SP ,s e mail that is the bone of contention.
Why  is it that when someone asks a civil question, now,the “  wokery” on here seem to know best? 
it never used to be the case it was a good advice site.
My lecky meter is 28 years old, why is it suddenly dangerous now.
please stop giving advice to the benefits of SM’s, it has been done to  death !
I was in on the first round of it if one cares to look.
I know the pros and cons, they are not an issue, being conned by an E mail is.
if SP need to change my meter, for safety reasons, good,they can phone me as I do them, just don’t disguise it in an E mail.

GingerTim

Giving correct information about smart meters is 'woke' now. I've heard it all.

Why not check when your meter's certification expires for yourself at  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1126202/schedule-4-december-2022.pdf

[Deleted User]

.joesoap1264 said:

My original question was not about the benefit of new smart meters.
it was the e mail.
URGENT WARNING !
your meter is over 15 years old and urgently needs changing, it could be a safety hazard!!!
we will do your gas as well if dual fuel, so the emphasis is on the lecky metering would have thought gas would be more dangerous than lecky?

the first batch of smart meters are 12 years old.
are they all due to become dangerous and need changing in 3+ years time?
I have no problems with smart meters, it’s SP ,s e mail that is the bone of contention.
Why  is it that when someone asks a civil question, now,the “  wokery” on here seem to know best? 
it never used to be the case it was a good advice site.
My lecky meter is 28 years old, why is it suddenly dangerous now.
please stop giving advice to the benefits of SM’s, it has been done to  death !
I was in on the first round of it if one cares to look.
I know the pros and cons, they are not an issue, being conned by an E mail is.
if SP need to change my meter, for safety reasons, good,they can phone me as I do them, just don’t disguise it in an E mail.

Meters do not suddenly become dangerous. Over time the accuracy of meters begins to drift due to wear and tear in the meter components. This why meters have a certified life from the date of certification not when they are fitted to a property. During the time that a meter is in service, the certified life is reviewed by The Office of Product Safety and Standards.  Based on further testing of in use meters and by looking at meter failures, the OPSS can, and does, change the certification period.

Under The Gas and Electricity Acts, suppliers have to change meters that are approaching the end of their certification period. Indeed, under the same Act suppliers are not allowed bill against a meter that is past its certified life. In extremis, these Acts allow suppliers to apply to a Court for a Warrant of Entry to a property to make the meter change.

The email that you have received will have been generated automatically by SP’s systems using meter data obtained from OPSS. Given that CS time does not come free, do you seriously expect someone to call you - to discuss what exactly? The supplier will be dealing with thousands of end-of-life meter replacements each year. Most people will do the right thing and just make a meter change appointment.

PS: Just to be clear, homeowners do not own the meters.

markavfc2

If electricity meter is at end of certified life and has to be changed do they have to change the gas meter at the same time if this is a none smart meter or can you refuse on the grounds the gas meter is fine?

joesoap1264

[Deleted User] said:

.joesoap1264 said:

My original question was not about the benefit of new smart meters.
it was the e mail.
URGENT WARNING !
your meter is over 15 years old and urgently needs changing, it could be a safety hazard!!!
we will do your gas as well if dual fuel, so the emphasis is on the lecky metering would have thought gas would be more dangerous than lecky?

the first batch of smart meters are 12 years old.
are they all due to become dangerous and need changing in 3+ years time?
I have no problems with smart meters, it’s SP ,s e mail that is the bone of contention.
Why  is it that when someone asks a civil question, now,the “  wokery” on here seem to know best? 
it never used to be the case it was a good advice site.
My lecky meter is 28 years old, why is it suddenly dangerous now.
please stop giving advice to the benefits of SM’s, it has been done to  death !
I was in on the first round of it if one cares to look.
I know the pros and cons, they are not an issue, being conned by an E mail is.
if SP need to change my meter, for safety reasons, good,they can phone me as I do them, just don’t disguise it in an E mail.

Meters do not suddenly become dangerous. Over time the accuracy of meters begins to drift due to wear and tear in the meter components. This why meters have a certified life from the date of certification not when they are fitted to a property. During the time that a meter is in service, the certified life is reviewed by The Office of Product Safety and Standards.  Based on further testing of in use meters and by looking at meter failures, the OPSS can, and does, change the certification period.

Under The Gas and Electricity Acts, suppliers have to change meters that are approaching the end of their certification period. Indeed, under the same Act suppliers are not allowed bill against a meter that is past its certified life. In extremis, these Acts allow suppliers to apply to a Court for a Warrant of Entry to a property to make the meter change.

The email that you have received will have been generated automatically by SP’s systems using meter data obtained from OPSS. Given that CS time does not come free, do you seriously expect someone to call you - to discuss what exactly? The supplier will be dealing with thousands of end-of-life meter replacements each year. Most people will do the right thing and just make a meter change appointment.

PS: Just to be clear, homeowners do not own the meters.

Thanks very much for the data, already knew that, I can read , and research.
I am not most people, I am an individual , who is exercising my choice, until I have no option but to conform .
my meter according to the data has been  out of I date for quite a lot of years, keep getting billed though.
if it is law, energy companies are required to change meters, when out of certification, why has it taken them till now to let me know, are they not also not breaking the law by not informing me sooner ?
Perhaps I am just a cynical old so and so, but forgive my for disagreeing with you that I should just follow your , and others recommendation and book an appointment asap, as the e mail says.
give me one good valid reason why I should ?
like I stated I’m my post, seems the wokerati have taken over this site, like elsewhere.
don’t do as I do, do as I say.
seems there are others having the same round robin e mail from SP et.al
strange!
is it quota time for the fines for them.
as you are so well informed, well in excess of me it seems according to your post,
perhaps you could enlighten me when the Gov decides to fine them ?
presume it will apply to all companies at the same time !
that’s something I don’t know .
I know I do not own the meter, who said I did .
I own the property it,s in though, and nobody gets to change anything without my permission, or a court order.
until then, I will exercise my rights and ignore the e mail, until SP decide to exercise their rights and force my hand.