Re Scottish power saying meters need changing?

matt_drummer

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

joesoap1264

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It s my choice until I do not have it.
Same with smart phones, I do not have one of them, got mobiles and landlines, and I _pad.
If SP decide to force me to have one , then that is different.
I will accept willingly.
I do not know if my meters broke, but neither do they till they come and look at it.
The stats since 2011 , when they were first rolled out, are not in your favour, perhaps you should study them !
I might not agree with what you say, but respect your right to say it
It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.
With all government's lack of a coherent energy policy, all the smart meters in the world won't sort any thin out.
Beware false prophets!

powerful_Rogue

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It s my choice until I do not have it.
Same with smart phones, I do not have one of them, got mobiles and landlines, and I _pad.
If SP decide to force me to have one , then that is different.
I will accept willingly.
I do not know if my meters broke, but neither do they till they come and look at it.
The stats since 2011 , when they were first rolled out, are not in your favour, perhaps you should study them !
I might not agree with what you say, but respect your right to say it
It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.
With all government's lack of a coherent energy policy, all the smart meters in the world won't sort any thin out.
Beware false prophets!

Can you point this out to me, would be happy to have a read.

CSI_Yorkshire

The topic is endless because the same nonsense conspiracy theories keep being repeated.

Please, enjoy your fight with 'the man' .

This is just the energy board version of crashy.

mmmmikey

Not sure if it's just me, but I've formed the impression that out there in the real world away from thid forum there is far less resistance to smart meters than there has been previously. I'm not sure if this is because there are so many smart meters out there now that people have realised that they're just another type of meter and no big deal, or whether it's because escalating prices have forced people to engage more and they've seen the potential benefits. Or a combination, or something else?

There are always going to people dig their heels and refuse to see what's in front of them, and others who will cut off their nose to spite their face. As well of course as the cranks and loonies who think their children will grow three heads if they go anywhere near a smart meter. Again, not sure if it's just me but the sense I have is that's the sort of resistance we're seeing mostly now on this forum?

I can think of legitimate practical reasons for choosing not to have a smart meter yet, and of course there are also legitimate political reasons that whilst I personally disagree with are nevertheless legitimate. But we don't seem to seeing as much of that - recent objections seem to be based on ignorance, stubborness and conspiracy theories.

Maybe the tide has just about turned and the noise will fade out rapidly now and die?

CSI_Yorkshire

mmmmikey said:

Not sure if it's just me, but I've formed the impression that out there in the real world away from thid forum there is far less resistance to smart meters than there has been previously. I'm not sure if this is because there are so many smart meters out there now that people have realised that they're just another type of meter and no big deal, or whether it's because escalating prices have forced people to engage more and they've seen the potential benefits. Or a combination, or something else?

There are always going to people dig their heels and refuse to see what's in front of them, and others who will cut off their nose to spite their face. As well of course as the cranks and loonies who think their children will grow three heads if they go anywhere near a smart meter. Again, not sure if it's just me but the sense I have is that's the sort of resistance we're seeing mostly now on this forum?

I can think of legitimate practical reasons for choosing not to have a smart meter yet, and of course there are also legitimate political reasons that whilst I personally disagree with are nevertheless legitimate. But we don't seem to seeing as much of that - recent objections seem to be based on ignorance, stubborness and conspiracy theories.

Maybe the tide has just about turned and the noise will fade out rapidly now and die?

I'm on an E7 tariff with British Gas for a start.

joesoap1264

powerful_Rogue said:

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It s my choice until I do not have it.
Same with smart phones, I do not have one of them, got mobiles and landlines, and I _pad.
If SP decide to force me to have one , then that is different.
I will accept willingly.
I do not know if my meters broke, but neither do they till they come and look at it.
The stats since 2011 , when they were first rolled out, are not in your favour, perhaps you should study them !
I might not agree with what you say, but respect your right to say it
It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.
With all government's lack of a coherent energy policy, all the smart meters in the world won't sort any thin out.
Beware false prophets!

Can you point this out to me, would be happy to have a read.

Government's new four-year framework on smart meter installations ends in 2024, so it's clear that this complicated rollout is not going to complete any time soon - and more work is needed to get smart meters in every home across the country.'

Ultimately, however, it seems that consumers may be undecided on the value of smart meters. 

It is likely this debate will continue for years to come as the rollout continues with suppliers still pushing customers to have one installed in a bid to meet targets.  

But for those who think they might be spending too much on their energy, they are encouraged to use price comparison services to see if they could save by switching provider or moving to a fixed tariff deal.  

Just a snippet of loads of it.

That by the way was part of this sites own research.

Rtl

CSI_Yorkshire

joesoap1264 said:

matt_drummer said:

joesoap1264 said:

Seem to have 're ignited the hornets nest, sorry.
It takes me back to when they were first discussed on here, I do not remember so many positive reviews then.
Have not really followed it since, until this e mail came yesterday.
I have nothing against smart meters of  people choose to have them.
I do not want one, my choice.
I do not need a meter to know how to save money, there are switches on all appliances. On/ off.
I can count, do maths, calculate , see what's on or off, reckon up What each item uses, has or electric, hope
Kwh . Been around long enough, did it at school 70+ years ago.
No calculators then !
Abacus was.

If one thinks variable pricing is for the benefit of the consumer, then I am sorry to disagree .energy companies only look after themselves and shareholders.
Numero uno.
No different to any other industry.
I do not  my believe my meters are out of commision, unsafe, etc.
I think it is a ploy to try to use scare tactics to install a smart meter.
Maybe I am wrong, we will see.
No doubt they will 're contact me, my meters have analogue readings, my son has the old clock dials still on his, he hasn't been contacted , and they are more difficult to read. 30 year old house.
I do not like being lied to , too old for that.
If it Ain t broke, do not fix it.
We are back to the cartel days, it seems, circumstances seem to have benefited the energy companies big style.
Good luck to them, they are not charities.
Less completion again.
I tried to switch from SO when tariffs were better elsewhere, they made things that difficult, I strayed put.
As it happened, probably would have ended back up with them anyway, due to  small boys going bust.
I can get to both meters ok, read them ok, send readings in every month ok, what good reason would I require a piece of hardware to do that for me ?I
This topic is endless, I did not envisage it would last so long If smart meters were so beneficial and good, there would be no companies bringing ,they would have fulfilled their quota, and the whole country would have been converted
Supply and demand, the markets dictate that.
Thanks for everyone's input, really appreciated, it has actually convinced more to 
DLTBGYD 😱😱
If God wanted us to go metric, he would have only ten disciples .

👍👍

They are not your meters, they belong to your supplier.

Its not your choice, they decide what meters they install at your property, it's a condition of supply.

What makes you think you should decide what equipment they install in your home?

How do you know your meters `aint broke'?

The reason they haven't installed as many as they need to is people like you!

It is".people like me " who make their own choices, until they are forced upon them.
It is called, democracy.

You do know that isn't what democracy means?

joesoap1264

mmmmikey said:

Not sure if it's just me, but I've formed the impression that out there in the real world away from thid forum there is far less resistance to smart meters than there has been previously. I'm not sure if this is because there are so many smart meters out there now that people have realised that they're just another type of meter and no big deal, or whether it's because escalating prices have forced people to engage more and they've seen the potential benefits. Or a combination, or something else?

There are always going to people dig their heels and refuse to see what's in front of them, and others who will cut off their nose to spite their face. As well of course as the cranks and loonies who think their children will grow three heads if they go anywhere near a smart meter. Again, not sure if it's just me but the sense I have is that's the sort of resistance we're seeing mostly now on this forum?

I can think of legitimate practical reasons for choosing not to have a smart meter yet, and of course there are also legitimate political reasons that whilst I personally disagree with are nevertheless legitimate. But we don't seem to seeing as much of that - recent objections seem to be based on ignorance, stubborness and conspiracy theories.

Maybe the tide has just about turned and the noise will fade out rapidly now and die?

I doubt anything will fadeaway, but get worse.I agree with your sentiment, but,
It seems the wo kes  have taken over this forum and everywhere else in society.
If hydrogen becomes a reality, and gas boilers banned, the smart meters become defunct.
There are several reasons why this idea was flawed from the start.
Net zero being the latest pitfall., Not envisaged in 2011 , but now the only topic about energy, never mind the cost, that is incidental, and who pays for it!
A meter does what it says, energy in,/ out.
The type of energy is what matters.
And nobody knows the questions, never mind the answers.
Act in haste, repent at leisure.

QrizB

joesoap1264 said:

I doubt anything will fadeaway, but get worse.I agree with your sentiment, but,
It seems the wo kes  have taken over this forum and everywhere else in society.
If hydrogen becomes a reality, and gas boilers banned, the smart meters become defunct.
There are several reasons why this idea was flawed from the start.
Net zero being the latest pitfall., Not envisaged in 2011 , but now the only topic about energy, never mind the cost, that is incidental, and who pays for it!
A meter does what it says, energy in,/ out.
The type of energy is what matters.
And nobody knows the questions, never mind the answers.
Act in haste, repent at leisure.

I think this is the first time I've seen a post to this forum made in free verse.

Are you a poet?