LL wants to do work but it’s very inconvenient

jimbog

Yellowsub2000 said:

I wonder what the ombudsman would say once its all started next year?

I think you are putting far too much faith in what any future ombudsman may or may not do in the future.

If they were approached with every grievance from every tenant they will be inundated. In fact tenants will then be battling with the ombudsman as well as the landlord 

saajan_12

The general principle is tenants pay rent and landlords provide a property, which they then maintain. Properties are inherently prone to disrepair, and the LL just has to respond to issues in a timely manner and ensure you have somewhere habitable to live. They *don't* guarantee a perfect, complete property at all times, and that's already assumed in the full rent you pay. 
eg if there was no running water, then perhaps they should provide a gym membership to shower or alternative accommodation for those days. However if there's no undue delay and you can live in the half house, then no compensation or rent reduction is due. 

If you've decided what you think is right, then no point repeating it or suggesting what other bodies eg ombudsman would agree with, without any of the bases they will use to make decisions. Per the above principle, most posters here are confident in a logical answer to your question. If you think otherwise, then either find some actual housing case law that supports your position, or insist on paying 50% rent and see what happens. 

user1977

Yellowsub2000 said:

marcia_ said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

Apparently this person says the roof need to partly come off and scaffolding and waterproof sheets all around that part of the property. The rest of the house will get dusty and workmen in and out.

If you are only getting half the goods or services you are paying for you should only pay half the cost

  They will still be living there and not getting half the 'goods' this isn't like buying something from shop or having a meal out. 

 If I needed such work on my home I would need to continue living here do you think the bank would accept me to stop paying my mortgage because my stuff is getting dusty. 

if you were renting an office space and half of it was unavailable for a while due to work being done then the rent would be half.

No, commercial leases do not (typically) say anything as simplistic as that.

gazfocus

user1977 said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

marcia_ said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

Apparently this person says the roof need to partly come off and scaffolding and waterproof sheets all around that part of the property. The rest of the house will get dusty and workmen in and out.

If you are only getting half the goods or services you are paying for you should only pay half the cost

  They will still be living there and not getting half the 'goods' this isn't like buying something from shop or having a meal out. 

 If I needed such work on my home I would need to continue living here do you think the bank would accept me to stop paying my mortgage because my stuff is getting dusty. 

if you were renting an office space and half of it was unavailable for a while due to work being done then the rent would be half.

No, commercial leases do not (typically) say anything as simplistic as that.

Furthermore, commercial leases usually lay responsibility for any upkeep and repairs on the tenant rather than the landlord. 

gazfocus

I am failing to see the logic here though. The tenant has reported damp to the landlord, the landlord is obviously going to significant expense to repair the issue causing the damp for the tenants benefit. Why would the tenant then feel justified in penalising the landlord further by expecting a reduced rent while the work goes ahead?

I’m all for trying to save a bit of money (hence being on this forum) but there comes a point where you have to be reasonable and not try to fleece people, which if I’m honest, a rent reduction in this scenario would be fleecing the landlord. 

BungalowBel

Yellowsub2000 said:

marcia_ said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

marcia_ said:

Yellowsub2000 said:

Apparently this person says the roof need to partly come off and scaffolding and waterproof sheets all around that part of the property. The rest of the house will get dusty and workmen in and out.

If you are only getting half the goods or services you are paying for you should only pay half the cost

  They will still be living there and not getting half the 'goods' this isn't like buying something from shop or having a meal out. 

 If I needed such work on my home I would need to continue living here do you think the bank would accept me to stop paying my mortgage because my stuff is getting dusty. 

It’s totally different borrow funds for something like a property or paying funds to use goods or services like a property.


if you were renting an office space and half of it was unavailable for a while due to work being done then the rent would be half.


it’s the same with anything you are paying for goods or services if you are not getting what you are paying for then it’s unfair.

if I pay full price for goods or services that I’m only getting half of what I was paying for then I would not be happy but that’s me personally 

 Yes it is you personally and doesn't reflect the real world 

So you would be happy to pay full price for half the goods or services you thought you were getting?

I would be happy that someone else is paying to improve my home!

MattMattMattUK

gazfocus said:

I am failing to see the logic here though. The tenant has reported damp to the landlord, the landlord is obviously going to significant expense to repair the issue causing the damp for the tenants benefit. Why would the tenant then feel justified in penalising the landlord further by expecting a reduced rent while the work goes ahead?

I’m all for trying to save a bit of money (hence being on this forum) but there comes a point where you have to be reasonable and not try to fleece people, which if I’m honest, a rent reduction in this scenario would be fleecing the landlord. 

Have a brief glance at the OP's posting history, there is a pattern.