Kitchen wall to remove structural or not?

Just wondering if it's possible to tell (more or less) whether I can safely remove my kitchen wall? I want down stairs to be all open plan with the kitchen extending onto the living room. The property is an end terrace, two bed. See images... Basically, I'm assuming that the second floor supporting beams run parallel rather than length ways so I think I should be ok...
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  • Section62
    Section62 Posts: 9,207 Forumite
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    Just wondering if it's possible to tell (more or less) whether I can safely remove my kitchen wall? I want down stairs to be all open plan with the kitchen extending onto the living room. The property is an end terrace, two bed. See images... Basically, I'm assuming that the second floor supporting beams run parallel rather than length ways so I think I should be ok...
    Impossible to guess safely.  Ask a structural engineer for advice.

    The age of the property is also relevant if any forum members do want to have a go at guessing.
  • Section62 said:
    Just wondering if it's possible to tell (more or less) whether I can safely remove my kitchen wall? I want down stairs to be all open plan with the kitchen extending onto the living room. The property is an end terrace, two bed. See images... Basically, I'm assuming that the second floor supporting beams run parallel rather than length ways so I think I should be ok...
    Impossible to guess safely.  Ask a structural engineer for advice.

    The age of the property is also relevant if any forum members do want to have a go at guessing.

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  • stuart45
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    How much of the wall do you want to remove? The top arrow looks like it's pointing to the return as well.
    Is it stud or block?
  • stuart45 said:
    How much of the wall do you want to remove? The top arrow looks like it's pointing to the return as well.
    Is it stud or block?

    Ideally I'd like to remove the full length but I don't mind leaving a slight overhang if need be. It's a thin wall and I'm 99% sure it's stud with plaster coverings
  • TELLIT01
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    You need a structural engineer to provide a definite answer.  I would be very surprised if no part of the walls indicated by the arrows is load bearing.
  • FreeBear
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    stuart45 said:
    How much of the wall do you want to remove? The top arrow looks like it's pointing to the return as well.
    Is it stud or block?

    Ideally I'd like to remove the full length but I don't mind leaving a slight overhang if need be. It's a thin wall and I'm 99% sure it's stud with plaster coverings
    Just because a wall is stud, do not assume it is non-structural. It could be supporting joists upstairs.
    If it were solid brick (of block), the wall may be providing lateral support for the external walls in addition to anything above. So consult with a structural engineer before doing anything.

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  • FlaatusGoat
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    Who is this 'structual engineer' I'm supposed to magic out of thin air. You've either got general builders that could say anything or I could dish out £500 for a home survey?
  • Who is this 'structual engineer' I'm supposed to magic out of thin air. You've either got general builders that could say anything or I could dish out £500 for a home survey?
    If you want to remove the wall even if supporting you'll need a structural engineer to do all the calculations to determine the size of steel you'll need so it's probably an unavoidable cost
  • tizerbelle
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    Who is this 'structual engineer' I'm supposed to magic out of thin air. You've either got general builders that could say anything or I could dish out £500 for a home survey?
    https://www.istructe.org/find-an-engineer/structural-engineers-near-me/
  • theonlywayisup
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    edited 30 April 2023 at 9:23PM
    Who is this 'structual engineer' I'm supposed to magic out of thin air. You've either got general builders that could say anything or I could dish out £500 for a home survey?
    You will magically be doing it out of thin air if you knock walls down willy nilly, especially if you think stud walls aren't structural.  A timber frame house is full of 'stud walls', they will be load bearing (structural) and also racking walls.  There is more than one force on a building and a racking wall will help stabilise another axis of movement. 

    There is no special magic in a structural engineer being found and asked to calculate what is needed.  
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