Autonomous driving legal next year

MouldyOldDough

Sea_Shell said:

One day "Hal" decides it's not going to take you to your destination!! 

Where are we going today then? 

shinytop

I used to wonder why manufacturers bothered with this sort of thing.  But since I read that Ford charges circa £20 per month, I now know.  That's another subscription you didn't know you needed on your already more expensive EV.  Road safety my 'arris. 

theoretica

I think it will be interesting to see what happens to car insurance rates for these vehicles.  Will it be high because they are expensive and anyway the driver can override them so they cannot prevent dangerous driving?  Or will insurance rates, if you have and use them, come down - perhaps especially for drivers without their own long driving record.

lemondrops69

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

photome said:

  Mine  and many other cars can already do this.  Apart from  of course the hands free bit although I can leave go of steering wheel for a second or two before the warning kicks in

it works very well in a contra flow near to me. Accelerates,brakes and steers , keeping the same distance from the car in front


i don’t have a problem with the new rules re the mustang, it will be everywhere eventually

What about puntures too - I don't believe a blow out on the motorway at 70mph can be handled by a computer - imt will just work on a set of rules - not an actual real life situation

Can you describe what you should do as a driver if you had a blowout at 70mph?

Yes don't brake 
Don't accelerate 
Just hold the wheel and decelerate 
Warning lights on if possible 
Pull over to the side of the road if possible
Avoiding more potholes if possible 
Pray if possible
How many of the "if possible" can an autonomous control system handle? 

Isn't that all a "set of rules" though? No reason why the car can't detect what's happened and do all of that.

Potholes are avoidable by myself not by a computer (at the moment) 

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1133205_mercedes-adds-pothole-detection-to-vehicle-to-infrastructure-warning-system 

MattMattMattUK

theoretica said:

I think it will be interesting to see what happens to car insurance rates for these vehicles.  Will it be high because they are expensive and anyway the driver can override them so they cannot prevent dangerous driving?  Or will insurance rates, if you have and use them, come down - perhaps especially for drivers without their own long driving record.

The automotive insurance industry is one of the biggest opponents of self-driving vehicles. Those who continue to human drive will almost always be liable and when the majority, and then all vehicles are self-drive the business model of the insurance companies will be dead.

MouldyOldDough

lemondrops69 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

photome said:

  Mine  and many other cars can already do this.  Apart from  of course the hands free bit although I can leave go of steering wheel for a second or two before the warning kicks in

it works very well in a contra flow near to me. Accelerates,brakes and steers , keeping the same distance from the car in front


i don’t have a problem with the new rules re the mustang, it will be everywhere eventually

What about puntures too - I don't believe a blow out on the motorway at 70mph can be handled by a computer - imt will just work on a set of rules - not an actual real life situation

Can you describe what you should do as a driver if you had a blowout at 70mph?

Yes don't brake 
Don't accelerate 
Just hold the wheel and decelerate 
Warning lights on if possible 
Pull over to the side of the road if possible
Avoiding more potholes if possible 
Pray if possible
How many of the "if possible" can an autonomous control system handle? 

Isn't that all a "set of rules" though? No reason why the car can't detect what's happened and do all of that.

Potholes are avoidable by myself not by a computer (at the moment) 

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1133205_mercedes-adds-pothole-detection-to-vehicle-to-infrastructure-warning-system 

10 seconds at 70mph is over 300 metres - just how will any car mounted camera detect a pothole, 300 metres ahead ?

I am aware that the database of potholes will build up and up

And what will it do ? swerve around it ?

Will it check rear view for other cars or carnage will ensue

I, for one - will be sticking with my low emission petrol car rather than an EV and will be driving it myself thank you very much

oldagetraveller1

DullGreyGuy said:

oldagetraveller1 said:

I might well be in the minority here, and still in the dark ages, but I personally think all this is a disaster waiting to happen.

You still thinking we should return with the red flag rules? The chap having to walk in front of any car with a red flag to warn others 

No, and I didn't suggest that. What a ridiculous thing to try and be a smart Alec with.

Welcome to the world of not being able to have a personal opinion any more.

Sea_Shell

MattMattMattUK said:

theoretica said:

I think it will be interesting to see what happens to car insurance rates for these vehicles.  Will it be high because they are expensive and anyway the driver can override them so they cannot prevent dangerous driving?  Or will insurance rates, if you have and use them, come down - perhaps especially for drivers without their own long driving record.

The automotive insurance industry is one of the biggest opponents of self-driving vehicles. Those who continue to human drive will almost always be liable and when the majority, and then all vehicles are self-drive the business model of the insurance companies will be dead.

Quite.

Taking this to an extreme conclusion, accidents will be eliminated once all vehicles can talk to each other, and avoid all hazards.

The only insurable risks will be for theft or malicious damage.

MattMattMattUK

MouldyOldDough said:

lemondrops69 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

user1977 said:

MouldyOldDough said:

photome said:

  Mine  and many other cars can already do this.  Apart from  of course the hands free bit although I can leave go of steering wheel for a second or two before the warning kicks in

it works very well in a contra flow near to me. Accelerates,brakes and steers , keeping the same distance from the car in front


i don’t have a problem with the new rules re the mustang, it will be everywhere eventually

What about puntures too - I don't believe a blow out on the motorway at 70mph can be handled by a computer - imt will just work on a set of rules - not an actual real life situation

Can you describe what you should do as a driver if you had a blowout at 70mph?

Yes don't brake 
Don't accelerate 
Just hold the wheel and decelerate 
Warning lights on if possible 
Pull over to the side of the road if possible
Avoiding more potholes if possible 
Pray if possible
How many of the "if possible" can an autonomous control system handle? 

Isn't that all a "set of rules" though? No reason why the car can't detect what's happened and do all of that.

Potholes are avoidable by myself not by a computer (at the moment) 

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1133205_mercedes-adds-pothole-detection-to-vehicle-to-infrastructure-warning-system 

10 seconds at 70mph is over 300 metres - just how will any car mounted camera detect a pothole, 300 metres ahead ?

In most conditions the algorithms will detect the pothole well in advance of a human driver, almost none of whom will be able to spot a pothole 300 meters away. In theory in any conditions where human spots a pothole the camera would have already spotted it and calculated a response.

MouldyOldDough said:

I am aware that the database of potholes will build up and up

And what will it do ? swerve around it ?

Will it check rear view for other cars or carnage will ensue

It will analyse the situation, in a few milliseconds, it will the take action from slowing down, to adjusting it's position in the lane, to signaling and changing lane, just the same as a human driver will do. It will check for other vehicles, pedestrians, cats, obstacles or anything else that might be an issue and do that much more comprehensively than any human driver. 

MouldyOldDough said:

I, for one - will be sticking with my low emission petrol car rather than an EV and will be driving it myself thank you very much

That will be your decision, up until the point that human driving is banned because it is so much more dangerous than autonomous vehicles and/or internal combustion engines are banned due to the negative environmental impact.

Sea_Shell

Have they solved the conundrum yet (even in testing) of what to [choose to] hit or avoid..and in who's best interests?! 😉

Swerve to avoid a child running out between two parked cars and risk head-on crash with oncoming lorry?