Section 21 following rent tribunal

ArbitraryRandom

While not disagreeing with any of the above comments, I also wanted to highlight that even with the time it takes to evict it would benefit your mother to not delay finding somewhere new to rent. 

It could well take 6 months or more for the landlord to have the tenancy ended, but once it's been finished then he can come after her for the costs (which can be hundreds of pounds); and while it will have been unpleasant to date, eviction can be a very stressful process for all involved. 

If there hasn't been a complete breakdown of the relationship it might be possible to negotiate with him, so he doesn't have to spend months to go through the courts and your mother has a little longer to arrange a move. 

silvercar

How much was the rent tribunal rent compared to what she was paying before? Is it affordable to pay a little more? It may be that the landlord has increased mortgage costs and can’t afford to keep the rent the same. It may be cheaper for your mum to stay than find a new rental with moving costs etc. 

sourpuss2021

If it’s been the same landlord for 33 years you’d expect any mortgage has long been paid off!  

But no doubt there are children and grandchildren with hungry mouths to feed…

housebuyer143

sourpuss2021 said:

If it’s been the same landlord for 33 years you’d expect any mortgage has long been paid off!  

But no doubt there are children and grandchildren with hungry mouths to feed…

Not necessarily, the majority of landlords have them on interest only mortgages so they never get paid off. Don't assume he's putting it up because he's greedy, his costs might have tripled and the rent could have been insanely low before, you don't know.

Job13

silvercar said:

How much was the rent tribunal rent compared to what she was paying before? Is it affordable to pay a little more? It may be that the landlord has increased mortgage costs and can’t afford to keep the rent the same. It may be cheaper for your mum to stay than find a new rental with moving costs etc. 

landlord proposed a rent of 1750. Her rent had remained the same at 700 for 10 years due to poor condition of windows and storage heaters. It was only because council forced them to comply with EPC and replace rotten windows and upgrade heating system they spent money of the property. Rent tribunal determined rent of 1042 which took into account all the work my mum had done over the years. They said it was potentially worth 1350 if they did further work to it but they still believe it’s worth 1750!

Job13

ArbitraryRandom said:

While not disagreeing with any of the above comments, I also wanted to highlight that even with the time it takes to evict it would benefit your mother to not delay finding somewhere new to rent. 

It could well take 6 months or more for the landlord to have the tenancy ended, but once it's been finished then he can come after her for the costs (which can be hundreds of pounds); and while it will have been unpleasant to date, eviction can be a very stressful process for all involved. 

If there hasn't been a complete breakdown of the relationship it might be possible to negotiate with him, so he doesn't have to spend months to go through the courts and your mother has a little longer to arrange a move. 

My mum tried negotiating before taking it to rent tribunal but he wouldn’t budge. He has a bad reputation in the farming community and has a reputation for doing this kind of thing. They have no mortgage on property as it’s part of estate and land the family inherited years back. 

sourpuss2021

housebuyer143 said:

sourpuss2021 said:

If it’s been the same landlord for 33 years you’d expect any mortgage has long been paid off!  

But no doubt there are children and grandchildren with hungry mouths to feed…

Not necessarily, the majority of landlords have them on interest only mortgages so they never get paid off. Don't assume he's putting it up because he's greedy, his costs might have tripled and the rent could have been insanely low before, you don't know.

Is it really true that most landlords are on interest only mortgages?  I thought that was just spivvy and overstretched BTLers who got into it in the past 15 years.

Any landlord who has owned a property for 30+ years should reasonably be expected to own the property outright by now.   I know mine does.

I agree that the rent could be well below the market though.  When a landlord doesn’t have a mortgage they can be less likely to keep an eye on what similar properties are going for, and the years slip by…

Job13

sourpuss2021 said:

If it’s been the same landlord for 33 years you’d expect any mortgage has long been paid off!  

But no doubt there are children and grandchildren with hungry mouths to feed…

The property is part of estate family inherited off grandparents years back, they own a farmhouse and land too so no outstanding mortgage etc. They did a similar thing to the tenant farmers over the road though!

silvercar

Job13 said:

ArbitraryRandom said:

While not disagreeing with any of the above comments, I also wanted to highlight that even with the time it takes to evict it would benefit your mother to not delay finding somewhere new to rent. 

It could well take 6 months or more for the landlord to have the tenancy ended, but once it's been finished then he can come after her for the costs (which can be hundreds of pounds); and while it will have been unpleasant to date, eviction can be a very stressful process for all involved. 

If there hasn't been a complete breakdown of the relationship it might be possible to negotiate with him, so he doesn't have to spend months to go through the courts and your mother has a little longer to arrange a move. 

My mum tried negotiating before taking it to rent tribunal but he wouldn’t budge. He has a bad reputation in the farming community and has a reputation for doing this kind of thing. They have no mortgage on property as it’s part of estate and land the family inherited years back. 

Can't be that bad if he has been getting rent far less than market value and Mum has been living there for 33 years!

We don't know what other costs the landlord has, you've said he has  replaced rotten windows and upgraded heating system. Anyway he is running a (rental) business. If the property is worth 1042 then that is what it is worth. It could be that he plans further upgrades to the property to get an even higher rent, especially as the tribunal has suggested he could get 1350. 

housebuyer143

Job13 said:

silvercar said:

How much was the rent tribunal rent compared to what she was paying before? Is it affordable to pay a little more? It may be that the landlord has increased mortgage costs and can’t afford to keep the rent the same. It may be cheaper for your mum to stay than find a new rental with moving costs etc. 

landlord proposed a rent of 1750. Her rent had remained the same at 700 for 10 years due to poor condition of windows and storage heaters. It was only because council forced them to comply with EPC and replace rotten windows and upgrade heating system they spent money of the property. Rent tribunal determined rent of 1042 which took into account all the work my mum had done over the years. They said it was potentially worth 1350 if they did further work to it but they still believe it’s worth 1750!

That's quite a large increase! How is she supposed to find £1k a month, ridiculous.

Basically he is annoyed he was forced to spend tens of thousands upgrading his house and so now either blames your mum (not sure if she reported it or they just found out) or doesn't but wants to recoup all of his money  

Very sad tbh especially as that's been her home for so long.