Landlord being unreasonable at end of an 10 year 10 month lease

11years_a_renter

sourpuss2021 said:

11years_a_renter said:

steve866 said:

How much under market value was the rent? Sometimes people rent to friends or family cheap on the understanding that they will maintain the home. Doesn't sound like there is any obligations for you to though.

Well it was Maybe around £50 a month cheaper than the going rate at the start of the tenancy, but we've never had an increase in rent

So by the end you were paying perhaps £500 a month less than the market rent?

sourpuss2021 said:

11years_a_renter said:

steve866 said:

How much under market value was the rent? Sometimes people rent to friends or family cheap on the understanding that they will maintain the home. Doesn't sound like there is any obligations for you to though.

Well it was Maybe around £50 a month cheaper than the going rate at the start of the tenancy, but we've never had an increase in rent

So by the end you were paying perhaps £500 a month less than the market rent?

No I'd say maybe £300 less we don't live in London or anywhere fancy

sourpuss2021

11years_a_renter said:

sourpuss2021 said:

11years_a_renter said:

steve866 said:

How much under market value was the rent? Sometimes people rent to friends or family cheap on the understanding that they will maintain the home. Doesn't sound like there is any obligations for you to though.

Well it was Maybe around £50 a month cheaper than the going rate at the start of the tenancy, but we've never had an increase in rent

So by the end you were paying perhaps £500 a month less than the market rent?

sourpuss2021 said:

11years_a_renter said:

steve866 said:

How much under market value was the rent? Sometimes people rent to friends or family cheap on the understanding that they will maintain the home. Doesn't sound like there is any obligations for you to though.

Well it was Maybe around £50 a month cheaper than the going rate at the start of the tenancy, but we've never had an increase in rent

So by the end you were paying perhaps £500 a month less than the market rent?

No I'd say maybe £300 less we don't live in London or anywhere fancy

Ah, okay.  

And do you expect to see this relative over the Christmas period for many years to come? 

Martico

propertyrental said:

You have two ways to approach/respond to this:

1) It's an informal family arrangement where there have been some misunderstandings over expectations. Sit down over tea and cake and thrash out a compromise, thereby retaining a positive family relationship.

I've got no idea about your family dynamics, clearly. But this would be my first thought. There appears to have been miscommunication, misunderstandings on both sides. And if you can get to talk in an atmosphere where both sides are willing to compromise, I'd hope that life will be better for both sides. It's delicate, of course it is, but if you can both accept a measure of responsibility and work together, it could save a whole lot of pain.
Legalities are legalities, and are a last resort. You've both benefited in your own way from the arrangement, I'd hope you can both come out of it the better.

Emily_Joy

lookstraightahead said:

But these are just moot points as the owner hasn't been doing their job as a landlord.

I guess if the owner wanted to do "their job as a landlord" they would have charged market value!

london21

So after 10 years and 10 months what do they expect from you?

They need to move on and start the maintenance and works. 

lookstraightahead

Emily_Joy said:

lookstraightahead said:

But these are just moot points as the owner hasn't been doing their job as a landlord.

I guess if the owner wanted to do "their job as a landlord" they would have charged market value!

That's no defence. You can't under charge but not carry out your legal obligations. Obviously. 

Schwarzwald

Emily_Joy said:

Do you have any rental agreement? To be honest, if I let a family member to live in my property for a nominal rent I would expect them to take care of the place, furniture, and appliances. If they haven't I would see it as they have betrayed my trust. OP, I would suggest to get off your bum, go to ebay, find suitable kitchen appliances there, deliver and install them at your aunt's house at your own expense.

That exactly is the issue: Expectations, which are not clearly communicated!
that’s what a tenancy agreement is for.
if both parties, Which seem to be adults, didnt resist on having one, they both failed.

and why does the OP need to get off their “bum”? Why not the LL and briefly fix the issues.

ultimately, seem mostly an issue for the LL, they dont seem to have full-filled all their obligations, and 10 years is more than enough time to check in every now and then to see if the OP was running the flat into the grounds.
havent checked? LL’s fault.

cant turn around after 10 year and suddenly voice expectations, time for that was 10 years ago

Postik

Schwarzwald said:

...and 10 years is more than enough time to check in every now and then to see if the OP was running the flat into the grounds.

This is what I find odd, they never came around or did an inspection in ten years?  They expected (or hoped) to walk in after not seeing the property for ten years and find it immaculate?

lesalanos

Legally you will not have to pay them anything.  The informal agreement means a lot of things haven't been completed by them that they should.  They will not be able to enforce anything.  After 11 years being rented out then they should expect to have to redecorate.  Carpets will have no residual value.

The big issue as mentioned before is the family connection.  How close are you?  Are you  bothered about upsetting them?

 You may want to pay a small amount as you have benefitted from the low rent but this is purely up to you.  Don't let them bully you into anything 

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Landlord has saved a lot of money not doing necessary checks.