New storage heaters cost help

Dandytf

Ide like to ask mser's
Is it more cost effective to find Electrical Supplier +Install of Dimplex Quantum storage heaters.
I'm planning to replace one old school storage heater initially in hall.
Which type of companies include removal of storage heater.
I have heard verbally that my electricity could need 'upgraded' as flats share Electricity?
I'm with SP Eco 7 White Meter Tariff.

thanks

RedFraggle

In a nutshell you need to leave a quantum on permanently at the wall switch and let it so its own thing. You only set when you want it to hear. 
It constantly monitors your room temperature and how much heat is needed and adjusts what it consumes to meet that need. 
Don't use any secondary heater or you'll confuse it 
It'll take 3 days or so to work it all out. 

Scot_39

Dandytf said:

Ide like to ask mser's
Is it more cost effective to find Electrical Supplier +Install of Dimplex Quantum storage heaters.
I'm planning to replace one old school storage heater initially in hall.
Which type of companies include removal of storage heater.
I have heard verbally that my electricity could need 'upgraded' as flats share Electricity?
I'm with SP Eco 7 White Meter Tariff.

thanks

Almost any qualified domestic electrician will be able to help fit.

In past mine have taken away hobs etc - I assume they would take away NSH (but an interesting question - those bricks add up in weight - and on some very old models - contaminants - like asbestos might be an issue - one list at http://www.storageheaters.com/asbestos-list.htm )

Phone around - and then check web pricing - but sometimes even a little mark-up - and their might not be any (as the pricing is so easily found on line these days for most things ) - worth the familiarity with the devices, install and future support simplicity.

There should be no need for any external power changes to your flat.

As new NSH panel should be a simple old x kw for new x kw - and similar width/size - as a result.

I have three - my smallest probably equivalent of the 70 model in series - it takes about 1.6/1.7 kW - but the biggest one in living room takes 3.4kW - equivalent of the 150 model.

The old one will I guess already be fed purely from it's own E7 supply - which the new one will replace - on a power for power  - hopefully simple like for like (not a new install) - basis. 

So I would hope the off-peak feed for charging overnight - should use existing wiring.

But like the OP - will also need a live 24/7 feed - for it's intelligent controller / its boost if you ever want it - and of course the air / heat circulation fan.

The new Quantum RF seem to be moving towards the "future" perhaps - even now discussing energy firm smart tariff based switching option package with supplier(s) - but don't need the hub or anything like that currently - to operate stand alone.

In another thread - other ranges - like Creda (same parent firm - same feel controller - no RF) TSRE's - non HHR but should be better cf any old existing - was discussed as maybe worth a look - as a non trivial cost saving (the OP there was looking to buy 3) - if you don't want those sort of "future" connectivity or RF  / hub style features.  Might be worth checking them out - or the Elnur ECOmbi HHRs etc as @littleteapot.

EssexHebridean

Gerry1 said:

My understanding is that if your HHR NSH has both E7 and 24h circuits then you only need to tell it how warm you want to be and when. It will then do the sums, charging up (only from the E7 circuit) and blowing heat out as necessary.

You may also wish to stop it using the automatic top up, especially if there is a wide difference between the E7 and day rates.

No doubt users such as @EssexHebridean will be able to confirm !

Yep - correct. Just check that the heaters own internal clocks are set for the right time, and the heat level. I think the newer models have the heat setting for the temperature you want the room to be at - mine is slightly older so mine is the output temperature instead.

You don’t have to worry about any automatic top up on Quantums either - they don’t have that (again, as far as I know this is true for the newer ones as well) so if you do want extra heat it’s just a case of using the boost function. 

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RedFraggle said:

In a nutshell you need to leave a quantum on permanently at the wall switch and let it so its own thing. You only set when you want it to hear. 
It constantly monitors your room temperature and how much heat is needed and adjusts what it consumes to meet that need. 
Don't use any secondary heater or you'll confuse it 
It'll take 3 days or so to work it all out. 

Thanks very much for this. It’s starting to make sense now 

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EssexHebridean said:

Gerry1 said:

My understanding is that if your HHR NSH has both E7 and 24h circuits then you only need to tell it how warm you want to be and when. It will then do the sums, charging up (only from the E7 circuit) and blowing heat out as necessary.

You may also wish to stop it using the automatic top up, especially if there is a wide difference between the E7 and day rates.

No doubt users such as @EssexHebridean will be able to confirm !

Yep - correct. Just check that the heaters own internal clocks are set for the right time, and the heat level. I think the newer models have the heat setting for the temperature you want the room to be at - mine is slightly older so mine is the output temperature instead.

You don’t have to worry about any automatic top up on Quantums either - they don’t have that (again, as far as I know this is true for the newer ones as well) so if you do want extra heat it’s just a case of using the boost function. 

Thanks so much for this. Will check the heater’s internal clocks are set correctly.  Thought I would share what the display said this morning (time is top right) will post display pic over the next couple of day too.

Dandytf

Some very detailed info, thanks.
Is 1kw version enough heat for 1 bedroom flat.
Is there any cost example of heating room for a few hours after eco 7 times.
If I were to replace 2 or 3kw fan heater with Dimplex Quantum, is it going to be possible to use heat in evening, whilst being affordable. ( Eco7 socket is retained though not in use)
What is going to happen Post Eco7 Tarrifs which are to be phased out according to checkatrade, after Fossil Fuels re no more.
Meanwhile I used local Electrician recently for socket replacement, plan to request Quantum Install costs.

thanks

Swipe

Dandytf said:

What is going to happen Post Eco7 Tarrifs which are to be phased out according to checkatrade, after Fossil Fuels re no more.

thanks

Did Checkatrade just make this up or do they have actual sources for this statement?

Dandytf

Swipe said:

Dandytf said:

What is going to happen Post Eco7 Tarrifs which are to be phased out according to checkatrade, after Fossil Fuels re no more.

thanks

Did Checkatrade just make this up or do they have actual sources for this statement?

Only towards 2030, though guess it's wait and see what happens.
Hopefully user's can help with above quantum questions as my 2-3kw fan heater has lasted though no where near as warm from level1 anymore and expensive if selecting level 2, that type of heat drops instantly when switched off.

thanks

Scot_39

There is already one fairly large supplier who does not support conventional E7 for new customers - smart or otherwise.

EDF claim many do not (and for those with less than 50,000 customers, there was no Ofgem requirement to - just as there is now no requirement to support E10 or other older such schemes for new customers - and at best weak support for existing)

See

https://www.edfenergy.com/energywise/all-you-need-know-about-economy-7

So no it isn't completely made up.  In fact arguably it was set out in New Labour's revised energy strategy plans according to some folks interpretation.

And those who dislike Smart really aren't going to like the way it's moving.

If you look at the latest Dimplex manuals for RF or their web site - their is a clear hint of where they see things moving - which looks to be energy supplier linked charge control periods (wifi to RF hub to panels ).

Didn't read the exact detail - but there's info hadn't noticed before when looked months back - in the latest installer's manual (under "Variable charge time tariffs").