How do I remove this shower mixer cartridge?

As the post says, how do I remove this thermostatic mixer cartridge? 

After watching over a dozen YouTube videos I am at a loss because none of them look like mine.
- There are NO grub screws/allen key holes underneath so I cannot prise the cartridge lose from underneath.
- I've tried inserting allen keys into the exposed end to see if any of them bite so that I can turn the cartridge to loosen it - nope.
- I've tried grasping the black body of the cartridge with a spanner but couldn't get it to turn (I didn't grasp tightly as the body is plastic and I didn't want to break it)

I do not know what type of shower this is as no manual was left available to me when I bought the house. There are no markings on the shower to tell me what type it is.
Anybody have any ideas how I can remove this cartridge so that I can see what it looks like before ordering a replacement? 



Below are the bits I've removed from the end.



Here's the opposite end intact, to show what the shower looks like before bits are removed.



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  • grumblergrumbler Forumite
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    Any slots in the brass part visible inside? A photo from the side would be more helpful.
    We are born naked, wet and hungry...Then things get worse. :(

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  • frugalmacdugalfrugalmacdugal Forumite
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    Hi,
    is there a circlip holding it in place, hard to tell from photie?
    Y'all take care now.
  • edited 5 March at 11:05AM
    ThisIsWeirdThisIsWeird Forumite
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    edited 5 March at 11:05AM
    No grub screw must surely mean it's either push-fit, or screwed in? Doesn't appear to be the former as there would need to be a screwed cover or collar over it that would hold it in, and there doesn't appear to be - the handle clearly wouldn't do that. So I'm guessing the whole cartridge is screwed in.

    Water off?! I'd try prising off that top circlip and see if that allows the black (plastic?) cover with the white line to then pull off? If it does, good chance there's a 'nut' underneath, in which case trying unscrewing the cartridge using this. 
  • ThisIsWeirdThisIsWeird Forumite
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    As asked above - good close-up end-on pics would help.
  • breaking_freebreaking_free Forumite
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    How about these?


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  • edited 5 March at 11:49AM
    grumblergrumbler Forumite
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    edited 5 March at 11:49AM
    How about these?


    Two slots - like I expected. Most likely, needs some special tool, but you can try a calliper if  you have one.

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  • breaking_freebreaking_free Forumite
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    Hi @grumbler. Any more detail than that thanks? I have some DIY skills but don't know what a caliper is or how it should be used in this instance.
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  • nofoollikeoldnofoollikeold Forumite
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    1. Needs a special tool.  To get the special tool you would need to know make and model.
    2. Possible bodge:
    2.1 Get a piece of brass rod 6 to 8 mm diameter.
    2.2 Make sure one end is flat.
    2.3 Flat end against the side of one of the slots in the brass cartridge mixer.
    2.4 Tap gently with a hammer.  
    2.5 Tap to turn anti-clockwise as you look into the open end.  
    3. Alternative bodge (if you have got a vice):
    3.1 Two short pieces of steel where one end of each will fit into the slot.
    3.2 Clamp both pieces upright in vice spaced far apart enough to just fit into slots while abutting side of brass piece.  Need to be high enough to clear central spindle.
    3.3 Water off and remove shower.  (Two big chrome nuts to wall and nut holding riser rail to shower).
    3.4 place over steel pieces in vice and twist to undo,

  • edited 5 March at 12:37PM
    grumblergrumbler Forumite
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    edited 5 March at 12:37PM
    Hi @grumbler. Any more detail than that thanks? I have some DIY skills but don't know what a caliper is or how it should be used in this instance.
    Basically, it's like a nut with slots. IMO, it's too deep for using a hammer and a rod.
    Calliper:
    STAHLWILLE 77371001 - 12900N Vernier calliper  Mister Worker
    I expect the tool to be something like Thermostatic Cartridge Removal Tool 30mm Prong Centres  eBay
    OR (the bottom one)
    Vado Thermostatic Cartridge CEL-RETROFITOIf you have a small vice you can try using it with two parallel clamped nails. Nails have to be hard enough, as short as possible, and, preferably, with sharp tips removed.

    We are born naked, wet and hungry...Then things get worse. :(

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  • plumb1_2plumb1_2 Forumite
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    Why do you need to remove the cartridge 
    A thankyou is payment enough .
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