Yet another Landlor & deposit

Lyhtem

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OP, with the deposit being protected, there’s no way the smoke alarm thing will stand. Sounds like you’ve had a first time/make it up as they go along landlord.

apparently She has 5 other properties so defo "Make it up" landlord just trying to claw out as much as she can.

personally I think she wants take us for a ride and get some upgrades on us, thinking we are naïve enough to agree to whatever she says.

for example 

according to her that is cleaned to professional standard 
  

and the professional painting that was done before we moved in 



and ofc said "broken" smoke alarm 

Lyhtem

Ah small update, it's the burglar alarm that she wants us to pay for 

BobT36

Lyhtem said:

Ah small update, it's the burglar alarm that she wants us to pay for 

lol NO chance then. Unless you broke it (and that can be proven). 

Emily_Joy

Lyhtem said:

Ah small update, it's the burglar alarm that she wants us to pay for 

Based on my experience of renting in Warsaw... your landlady could do with a little education. Making things up doesn't always go down very well in England.

Lyhtem

BobT36 said:

Lyhtem said:

Ah small update, it's the burglar alarm that she wants us to pay for 

lol NO chance then. Unless you broke it (and that can be proven). 

Yep, from what I've seen burglar alarm is 100% her responsibility Emily_Joy said:

Lyhtem said:

Ah small update, it's the burglar alarm that she wants us to pay for 

Based on my experience of renting in Warsaw... your landlady could do with a little education. Making things up doesn't always go down very well in England.

Yep, I'm just taking my time now to reply to her claims. 

BobT36

Always makes me laugh when these landlords try to charge for a "deep clean". That should only be necessary if all the carpets, walls and appliances are HEAVILY soiled (which some people do leave). 
Quite often all it needs is a hoover and a dust, something a landlord should be doing anyway to prepare the place for the next tenant. 

It's like a hotel charging you extra for the cleaner prepping the rooms. They'd only do that if you heavily damaged them, not left them in a decent state and only needed a spruce up from normal use. 

EssexHebridean

Presumably even if she did expect a deep clean, and one had been done prior to move in (which appears unlikely from the photos) this expectation would still need to be stated somewhere to make it contractual? (Purely an interested party question here) 

TripleH

Think it's "move out condition + fair wear and tear = move in condition"

The dispute service is there to rule primarily on what counts as 'fair'.

The problem is always people running things with their heart not their head. Some landlords impose their standards on others, some still see the deposit as their money (wonder how many see it as income when doing their taxes?)

Shelldean

TripleH said:

Think it's "move out condition + fair wear and tear = move in condition"

The dispute service is there to rule primarily on what counts as 'fair'.

The problem is always people running things with their heart not their head. Some landlords impose their standards on others, some still see the deposit as their money (wonder how many see it as income when doing their taxes?)

Other way round surely?
Move in conditions + fair wear and tear  = move out conditions?

propertyrental

EssexHebridean said:

Presumably even if she did expect a deep clean, and one had been done prior to move in (which appears unlikely from the photos) this expectation would still need to be stated somewhere to make it contractual? (Purely an interested party question here) 

No. It's an implicit term in all tenancy contracts that the T will leave the property as they found it (or better).
Any clause added to the contract (eg for a deep clean) is meaningless and adds nothing.
Any clause not included is equally meaningless and subtracts nothing.

Leave the property at the end of the tenancy as it was at the start, less fair wear and tear. That's it.