Is stopping at red lights now optional?

Zinger549

user1977 said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)

I haven't seen anybody else on the thread suggesting that it might be legal for any drivers/riders to go through a red light in the UK.

Yes, cyclists and E-scooter riders going through red lights is not a new thing. I think most of them know they should stop for red lights but they just can't be bothered to wait especially if it's clear in front. I don't think people read a thread title and take it as gospel.

SiliconChip

@Norman_Castle and @Car_54 it happened long before the 1997 Act mentioned (probably at least 50 years ago) but my uncle was once fined for driving over a zebra crossing before the person using it had reached the other side. I remember it as it happened while he was taking my family (I was around 12 at the time) to the railway station to go on holiday, and I presume he was spotted by a police officer and was contacted after the event as he wasn't stopped at the time as far as I can remember.

SiliconChip

diystarter7 said:

prowla said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

The US right-turn-on-red works quite well.

We don't have it (left-turn-on-red) in the UK and I'm not so sure how well it would go.

It's a pity that the title is easily confusing.

You seem to have been the only person confused by the title, everybody else understood perfectly well what was meant. Perhaps you could start to apply Occam's Razor to things that you read before jumping to an incorrect conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor 

'Popularly, the principle is sometimes inaccurately paraphrased as "The simplest explanation is usually the best one."'

user1977

diystarter7 said:

prowla said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

The US right-turn-on-red works quite well.

We don't have it (left-turn-on-red) in the UK and I'm not so sure how well it would go.

I also like their STOP at junction signs, again they have bigger/wider roads and easier to use that system.

Though I have seen research suggesting it's a more hazardous system and one of the things which contribute to the US's surprisingly high road accident rate (being obliged to stop all the time, even where there's no need to do so, seems to encourage drivers to become oblivious in the occasions where they should actually not just stop but also wait...)

diystarter7

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

SiliconChip said:

diystarter7 said:

prowla said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

The US right-turn-on-red works quite well.

We don't have it (left-turn-on-red) in the UK and I'm not so sure how well it would go.

It's a pity that the title is easily confusing.

You seem to have been the only person confused by the title, everybody else understood perfectly well what was meant. Perhaps you could start to apply Occam's Razor to things that you read before jumping to an incorrect conclusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor 

'Popularly, the principle is sometimes inaccurately paraphrased as "The simplest explanation is usually the best one."'

The fact is the title is misleading as the poster is talking about what in essence is poor driving by others. I posted as I saw it and tried to help as per my post.

You may wish to direct me to when read lights have been "optional;" in England.

Riders/drivers driving through red lights is breaking the rules and clearly not an "option"al.


Would you not agree, and I doubt you will, but to help you reconsider, I'v posted a copy of my original post here and the more appropriate title if this kind of discussion were allowed on MSE.

Many thanks either way.

diystarter7

user1977 said:

diystarter7 said:

prowla said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

The US right-turn-on-red works quite well.

We don't have it (left-turn-on-red) in the UK and I'm not so sure how well it would go.

I also like their STOP at junction signs, again they have bigger/wider roads and easier to use that system.

Though I have seen research suggesting it's a more hazardous system and one of the things which contribute to the US's surprisingly high road accident rate (being obliged to stop all the time, even where there's no need to do so, seems to encourage drivers to become oblivious in the occasions where they should actually not just stop but also wait...)

We've been to the USA about 12/14 times always driven a peple carrier or 7 seat suv and in the first few visits, 3-week hols we covsred many, many miles looking around etc.
We found first hand and it not based on other people's research that these STOP signs worked well and better still the right turn at the red lifts where allowed. The title of the thread made me think that as I have often thought about the right trun at red lights but in England it wont work as well as less space

As I said, been many times covered thousands of miles - though in the recent past many more drivers on the road like any country, the driving in Flordia is getting more aggressive and there are many more smaller cars around. However, all in all it is much easier to drive there i the usa and I only recall seeing one accident and that was about te years ago onn their highway as we were returning to London goin to their international airport

Thanks

Sea_Shell

Optional red lights?   

Thanks for the heads up OP.


😉

SpudGunPaul

diystarter7 said:

user1977 said:

diystarter7 said:

prowla said:

diystarter7 said:

Zinger549 said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi

The simple answer is no!!

The thread title is misleading and could confuse the already less skilled/confused that may read these threads and think its now optional when clearly it is not!  



Thanks

I really don't think someone is going to start driving through red lights because of the title of this thread.

Hi



Since you posted here others are now talking about some cyclists, battery scooter riders already see it as "optional" as they have seen many jump the red lights which is illegal!! (you see the confusion this title is causing?)


When I read the headline, I thought, hold on, really, are we going/considering USA style of highway code.  Are we getting the American way of driving regrading  red lights where you can turn right on a red light at many junctions where allowed!! 

 I bet you many that read these threads today, and over  years to come will see my concerns
"

""Is stopping at red lights now optional?"   

I hope you can now see my concerns as I thought the UK was heading for this option reading the title. I don't know about you but many times I just read the title and move on and often apply this rule to forums and online news media and if I had not read the context, I would have been wondering, if some riders do it as detailed above and are we heading to USA style, ie turn right on a red light????  (I hope you can now appreciate my point and those that thumbed up you)

NB: CAUTION ADVISED AS THE QUOTE AND THE LINK BELOW  APPLIES TO THE USA & NOT THE UNITED KINDOM

Turning Right on a Red Light - Orlando Forum - TripAdvisor

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk › ShowTopic-g34515-i1...

10 answers

Yes you can turn right on a red light unless it says otherwise. We've always found the driving pretty straightforward in the States.

=============++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Personally, if a thread like this is  ie non-money saver allowed on these forums, the title I would have given it to stop any confusion is:

WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE IGNORING RED LIGHTS RULES? ?

Thanks

The US right-turn-on-red works quite well.

We don't have it (left-turn-on-red) in the UK and I'm not so sure how well it would go.

I also like their STOP at junction signs, again they have bigger/wider roads and easier to use that system.

Though I have seen research suggesting it's a more hazardous system and one of the things which contribute to the US's surprisingly high road accident rate (being obliged to stop all the time, even where there's no need to do so, seems to encourage drivers to become oblivious in the occasions where they should actually not just stop but also wait...)

We've been to the USA about 12/14 times always driven a peple carrier or 7 seat suv and in the first few visits, 3-week hols we covsred many, many miles looking around etc.
We found first hand and it not based on other people's research that these STOP signs worked well and better still the right turn at the red lifts where allowed. The title of the thread made me think that as I have often thought about the right trun at red lights but in England it wont work as well as less space

As I said, been many times covered thousands of miles - though in the recent past many more drivers on the road like any country, the driving in Flordia is getting more aggressive and there are many more smaller cars around. However, all in all it is much easier to drive there i the usa and I only recall seeing one accident and that was about te years ago onn their highway as we were returning to London goin to their international airport

Thanks

Space has nothing to do with it as we drive on the left here. 

diystarter7

Sea_Shell said:

Optional red lights?   

Thanks for the heads up OP.


😉

Thank you but don't forget that in England you have to stop at the red lights and be prepared as you approach them and if you jump red lights you are breaking the law and putting others' lives at risk.

We need more red light cams IMO

Thanks

EssexHebridean

Sea_Shell said:

Optional red lights?   

Thanks for the heads up OP.


😉

Yes - excellent the things you find out from reading thread titles on an internet forum isn’t it - I very much look forward to taking advantage of this change in the law on my commute tomorrow! 😆