Council and Care Home Fees Query

elsien

It is difficult. And some places do put on the occasional trip. But my experience is that is few and far between - it's a major triumph if you can ask them to support someone to the local shop to  buy a paper, for people who aren't able to go out on their own. 

diystarter7

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

Plasticomo said:

My dad passed away mid November. My mum is in a care home and the estate is in probate at the moment Just over three months prior he changed the status of ownership for his house to tenants in common.  Hopefully that will go through ok without being challenged. My mum now has to meet the cost of her care home from her half of the fees from early February.

We cant get a disabled taxi for love nor money at the moment and we had to hire a mini bus at 180 quid to get mum to the funeral. What I want to know is, are we allowed to purchase a disabled access vehicle for her from her money so that she can be taken for days out or will this be seen as deprivation of assets. She is mentally alert although power of attorney is in place if needed. She is just physically not able to stand. She is also asking if she can give some to us. I know this can be done within the normal tax year (about £3,000?) but again would this be seen as disposal of assets or allowed within the same tax rules. She has mentioned paying for her funeral up front. Would this also be allowed do you think?

OP
Sorry about that
Please call the coucil and and ask to speak with the duty care manager that spealises in care homes and have a little chat with them re deprevation of assests etc - and or after that send a concise email re your questions I am sure they will help

Good luck

A care manager won’t answer that question.  

Hi

Why not? I said clearly seek guidance and guidance mean just that and hopefully not getting more misinformation like the poster did before.  Why can someone hat is not sure about something not contact someone that has knowledge in that area for guidance?

Why would a CM that dealt with these scenarios not give guidance an guidance would be help than nothing at all.

I worked for the council and me and friends of mine did various assessments and people were entitled to call us and seek advice/guidance and often the call was ended in the caller being more knowledge  re their or family's rights etc


I've worked as a CM for a while though it was years ago and did my assessments and duty stints - Though I did not speailise in certain areas EG, AA, DLA, then pips, DPPB's etc etc etc - I know some the basic cretria off the top of my head and told them re qualify age, if they were drivers or not, what they could expects or not - it did not mean they'd have to complet and assessment waste their time when there was no chance of them getting it etc but the full assessment will determine the exact outcomes.
People that had worked hard often were worried about care home fees and not being able to pass on their hard earned cash etc to loved ones - I told them in beife re deprevation of assests and call CM, duty and seek more detailed help and they did. So nothing wrong, when one is not sure re whats, waht best to get and idea before heading up the wrong path.


Sorry, you are confusing me.

diystarter7

p00hsticks said:

elsien said:

I visit a lot of care homes for my job. None of them have their own transport. Anyone needing to go to appointment either family takes them or if it’s a hospital appointment and they have no one, the care book the hospital transport or a taxi which the resident pays for. 

That's a shame. Before her death seven years ago my MIL was in a care home (funded by the Local authority) and they certainly had a specially adapted minibus with a wheel-chair accessible lift at the back that they used to take residents out on day trips, shopping expeditions, theatre visits etc.

p00hsticks said:

elsien said:

I visit a lot of care homes for my job. None of them have their own transport. Anyone needing to go to appointment either family takes them or if it’s a hospital appointment and they have no one, the care book the hospital transport or a taxi which the resident pays for. 

That's a shame. Before her death seven years ago my MIL was in a care home (funded by the Local authority) and they certainly had a specially adapted minibus with a wheel-chair accessible lift at the back that they used to take residents out on day trips, shopping expeditions, theatre visits etc.

Hi
I think this is often done via Dialaride these days - ie not funded by care homes but those that qualify and their helpers can use.

Thanks

elsien

diystarter7 said:

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

Plasticomo said:

My dad passed away mid November. My mum is in a care home and the estate is in probate at the moment Just over three months prior he changed the status of ownership for his house to tenants in common.  Hopefully that will go through ok without being challenged. My mum now has to meet the cost of her care home from her half of the fees from early February.

We cant get a disabled taxi for love nor money at the moment and we had to hire a mini bus at 180 quid to get mum to the funeral. What I want to know is, are we allowed to purchase a disabled access vehicle for her from her money so that she can be taken for days out or will this be seen as deprivation of assets. She is mentally alert although power of attorney is in place if needed. She is just physically not able to stand. She is also asking if she can give some to us. I know this can be done within the normal tax year (about £3,000?) but again would this be seen as disposal of assets or allowed within the same tax rules. She has mentioned paying for her funeral up front. Would this also be allowed do you think?

OP
Sorry about that
Please call the coucil and and ask to speak with the duty care manager that spealises in care homes and have a little chat with them re deprevation of assests etc - and or after that send a concise email re your questions I am sure they will help

Good luck

A care manager won’t answer that question.  

Hi

Why not? I said clearly seek guidance and guidance mean just that and hopefully not getting more misinformation like the poster did before.  Why can someone hat is not sure about something not contact someone that has knowledge in that area for guidance?

Why would a CM that dealt with these scenarios not give guidance an guidance would be help than nothing at all.

I worked for the council and me and friends of mine did various assessments and people were entitled to call us and seek advice/guidance and often the call was ended in the caller being more knowledge  re their or family's rights etc


I've worked as a CM for a while though it was years ago and did my assessments and duty stints - Though I did not speailise in certain areas EG, AA, DLA, then pips, DPPB's etc etc etc - I know some the basic cretria off the top of my head and told them re qualify age, if they were drivers or not, what they could expects or not - it did not mean they'd have to complet and assessment waste their time when there was no chance of them getting it etc but the full assessment will determine the exact outcomes.
People that had worked hard often were worried about care home fees and not being able to pass on their hard earned cash etc to loved ones - I told them in beife re deprevation of assests and call CM, duty and seek more detailed help and they did. So nothing wrong, when one is not sure re whats, waht best to get and idea before heading up the wrong path.


Sorry, you are confusing me.

Because the social work teams/managers/duty teams who are carrying out the assessments cannot be seen to be giving financial advice which may be erroneous and which they may later be challenged on. I’m not sure why that is so hard to grasp?

diystarter7

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

Plasticomo said:

My dad passed away mid November. My mum is in a care home and the estate is in probate at the moment Just over three months prior he changed the status of ownership for his house to tenants in common.  Hopefully that will go through ok without being challenged. My mum now has to meet the cost of her care home from her half of the fees from early February.

We cant get a disabled taxi for love nor money at the moment and we had to hire a mini bus at 180 quid to get mum to the funeral. What I want to know is, are we allowed to purchase a disabled access vehicle for her from her money so that she can be taken for days out or will this be seen as deprivation of assets. She is mentally alert although power of attorney is in place if needed. She is just physically not able to stand. She is also asking if she can give some to us. I know this can be done within the normal tax year (about £3,000?) but again would this be seen as disposal of assets or allowed within the same tax rules. She has mentioned paying for her funeral up front. Would this also be allowed do you think?

OP
Sorry about that
Please call the coucil and and ask to speak with the duty care manager that spealises in care homes and have a little chat with them re deprevation of assests etc - and or after that send a concise email re your questions I am sure they will help

Good luck

A care manager won’t answer that question.  

Hi

Why not? I said clearly seek guidance and guidance mean just that and hopefully not getting more misinformation like the poster did before.  Why can someone hat is not sure about something not contact someone that has knowledge in that area for guidance?

Why would a CM that dealt with these scenarios not give guidance an guidance would be help than nothing at all.

I worked for the council and me and friends of mine did various assessments and people were entitled to call us and seek advice/guidance and often the call was ended in the caller being more knowledge  re their or family's rights etc


I've worked as a CM for a while though it was years ago and did my assessments and duty stints - Though I did not speailise in certain areas EG, AA, DLA, then pips, DPPB's etc etc etc - I know some the basic cretria off the top of my head and told them re qualify age, if they were drivers or not, what they could expects or not - it did not mean they'd have to complet and assessment waste their time when there was no chance of them getting it etc but the full assessment will determine the exact outcomes.
People that had worked hard often were worried about care home fees and not being able to pass on their hard earned cash etc to loved ones - I told them in beife re deprevation of assests and call CM, duty and seek more detailed help and they did. So nothing wrong, when one is not sure re whats, waht best to get and idea before heading up the wrong path.


Sorry, you are confusing me.

Because the social work teams/managers/duty teams who are carrying out the assessments cannot be seen to be giving financial advice which may be erroneous and which they may later be challenged on. I’m not sure why that is so hard to grasp?

Good evening

Final attempt by me. Its NOT "financial advice, " its seeking guidance as per my posts.

 You seriously saying people cant ring in and ask for info/guidance, and that is hard for anyone to believe.


Thanks

tooldle

p00hsticks said:

elsien said:

I visit a lot of care homes for my job. None of them have their own transport. Anyone needing to go to appointment either family takes them or if it’s a hospital appointment and they have no one, the care book the hospital transport or a taxi which the resident pays for. 

That's a shame. Before her death seven years ago my MIL was in a care home (funded by the Local authority) and they certainly had a specially adapted minibus with a wheel-chair accessible lift at the back that they used to take residents out on day trips, shopping expeditions, theatre visits etc.

My mum’s place has a car (with logo’s) to run their residents about and to get shopping (newspapers, sherry etc). They also have a beach hut, and use the car to get small groups of residents to the beach for a few hours.

Keep_pedalling

diystarter7 said:

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

Plasticomo said:

My dad passed away mid November. My mum is in a care home and the estate is in probate at the moment Just over three months prior he changed the status of ownership for his house to tenants in common.  Hopefully that will go through ok without being challenged. My mum now has to meet the cost of her care home from her half of the fees from early February.

We cant get a disabled taxi for love nor money at the moment and we had to hire a mini bus at 180 quid to get mum to the funeral. What I want to know is, are we allowed to purchase a disabled access vehicle for her from her money so that she can be taken for days out or will this be seen as deprivation of assets. She is mentally alert although power of attorney is in place if needed. She is just physically not able to stand. She is also asking if she can give some to us. I know this can be done within the normal tax year (about £3,000?) but again would this be seen as disposal of assets or allowed within the same tax rules. She has mentioned paying for her funeral up front. Would this also be allowed do you think?

OP
Sorry about that
Please call the coucil and and ask to speak with the duty care manager that spealises in care homes and have a little chat with them re deprevation of assests etc - and or after that send a concise email re your questions I am sure they will help

Good luck

A care manager won’t answer that question.  

Hi

Why not? I said clearly seek guidance and guidance mean just that and hopefully not getting more misinformation like the poster did before.  Why can someone hat is not sure about something not contact someone that has knowledge in that area for guidance?

Why would a CM that dealt with these scenarios not give guidance an guidance would be help than nothing at all.

I worked for the council and me and friends of mine did various assessments and people were entitled to call us and seek advice/guidance and often the call was ended in the caller being more knowledge  re their or family's rights etc


I've worked as a CM for a while though it was years ago and did my assessments and duty stints - Though I did not speailise in certain areas EG, AA, DLA, then pips, DPPB's etc etc etc - I know some the basic cretria off the top of my head and told them re qualify age, if they were drivers or not, what they could expects or not - it did not mean they'd have to complet and assessment waste their time when there was no chance of them getting it etc but the full assessment will determine the exact outcomes.
People that had worked hard often were worried about care home fees and not being able to pass on their hard earned cash etc to loved ones - I told them in beife re deprevation of assests and call CM, duty and seek more detailed help and they did. So nothing wrong, when one is not sure re whats, waht best to get and idea before heading up the wrong path.


Sorry, you are confusing me.

Because the social work teams/managers/duty teams who are carrying out the assessments cannot be seen to be giving financial advice which may be erroneous and which they may later be challenged on. I’m not sure why that is so hard to grasp?

Good evening

Final attempt by me. Its NOT "financial advice, " its seeking guidance as per my posts.

 You seriously saying people cant ring in and ask for info/guidance, and that is hard for anyone to believe.


Thanks

How ever often you say it does not make it right, you have suggested getting guidance from someone who may be no more qualified to give it than a random stranger in the pub.

diystarter7

Not sure if you are deliberately being obtuse but my post clearly states phoning the council and not a "pub."

Thanks

Gavin83

elsien said:

It is difficult. And some places do put on the occasional trip. But my experience is that is few and far between - it's a major triumph if you can ask them to support someone to the local shop to  buy a paper, for people who aren't able to go out on their own. 

It’ll depend on the quality of home. If it’s the type of care home that doesn’t accept council funded residents (at least without a top up) then it’s much more likely to offer such services.