How much should a new bathroom cost?

mi-key

onomatopoeia99 said:

mi-key said:

Personally I would never spend loads on a bathroom that small as it doesnt really add any value to the house more than putting in some nice looking and functional. It's quite funny that people spend loads on a bathroom when it's probably the room we spend the least time in !

Whereas I would as adding value to the house is irrelevant.  I have a house to live in, and I do things to make my house a nicer place to live in, irrespective of what they do to its value.

That was sort of my point. Spending tens of thousands on a mega posh bathroom isnt really necessary unless you are doing somewhere up to try and sell it and hoping the bathroom will add value.  For most people you can get a perfectly nice, usable, and still good looking bathroom for a lot less. 

mi-key

Doozergirl said:

The Federation of Master Builders, design fee included in build cost, mid to higher end of pay rates for our region, not enough.  

There's a range of product costs in these photos, but the same people build them. All from scratch - either newly created rooms or back to brick for a proper finish that will stand the test of time.   All designed and PMd by me, apart from the last one PMd by my husband.   

The bathrooms look lovely, but it is very hard to get that sort of look in a 3 sq/m room that is only just over a metre wide. You can't put a huge bath or shower stall in, nor can you have deep cabinets that take up half the width. 

Also because of the size of the room, flooring cost will be minimal, as will wall tiling as there isn't much wall to actually tile ! 

As an aside, who puts a sofa in their bathroom ?? Do they sit there watching their OH on the toilet :

Doozergirl

mi-key said:

Doozergirl said:

The Federation of Master Builders, design fee included in build cost, mid to higher end of pay rates for our region, not enough.  

There's a range of product costs in these photos, but the same people build them. All from scratch - either newly created rooms or back to brick for a proper finish that will stand the test of time.   All designed and PMd by me, apart from the last one PMd by my husband.   

The bathrooms look lovely, but it is very hard to get that sort of look in a 3 sq/m room that is only just over a metre wide. You can't put a huge bath or shower stall in, nor can you have deep cabinets that take up half the width. 

Also because of the size of the room, flooring cost will be minimal, as will wall tiling as there isn't much wall to actually tile ! 

As an aside, who puts a sofa in their bathroom ?? Do they sit there watching their OH on the toilet

I have to say, there are some very average sized bathrooms in there, it's the use of a wide angle lens and the photos taken from the door!   The average British bathroom is about 1.8m by 2.4m. One is exactly that with a massive mirror on the wall, one is less than that - 1.4 by 2.4 plus the curve cut out of it.  Both have spacious showers.  Two bathrooms were carved from a 1.8m x 4.5m space that was previously one bathroom.  

The total tiling for a small windowless 1m by 2.4m shower room would be just under 12 square metres.   It's comparatively a lot.   It doesn't double with doubling the width of the room because there is an economy of scale.  You also have an increased number of cuts in a smaller space, so labour can be incredibly similar.   

The chaise longue in question is in my bathroom and it faces the bath, not the toilet. That is a big room.   It was Bailey's space and just sometimes my husband can be persuaded to bring me wine and talk to me when I'm in the bath, but mainly it softens the room and is just nice to look at.  

Not one of those bathrooms was done for sale because they don't add value, why the likes of Persimmon treat everything as an extra and do the bare minimum.  One of them replaced a developer's bathroom in a newish build... you can see it isn't generous in space, the door goes against the wall.  

sourpuss2021

Here is a recent quote in London for a 4 sqm bathroom for just under £10k.  

OP's quote definitely seems excessive if all they need is basic bathroom, not the bathroom of a bordello!

Doozergirl

sourpuss2021 said:

Here is a recent quote in London for a 4 sqm bathroom for just under £10k.  

OP's quote definitely seems excessive if all they need is basic bathroom, not the bathroom of a bordello!

Basic tiles with minimal tiling, basic suite, vinyl floor but effort made to provide the bones of a new room.  £4k of fittings would bump that up, would it not. 

mi-key

@Doozergirl

To be fair, the bathrooms you have shown are pretty high end compared to what most people have looking at the fittings ( nice as they are ) and I imagine most cost more than £14K ? Only a couple of people I know have anything similar to that, and they do live in pretty expensive houses and have large bathrooms. 

As the OP has a small room, and had costed £4000 for the materials, I don't imagine that is the sort of fittings and finish he is looking for. 

Like most jobs though, if you have to pay other people to do everything for you, it is always going to cost a load more

Doozergirl

mi-key said:

@Doozergirl

To be fair, the bathrooms you have shown are pretty high end compared to what most people have looking at the fittings ( nice as they are ) and I imagine most cost more than £14K ? Only a couple of people I know have anything similar to that, and they do live in pretty expensive houses and have large bathrooms. 

As the OP has a small room, and had costed £4000 for the materials, I don't imagine that is the sort of fittings and finish he is looking for. 

Like most jobs though, if you have to pay other people to do everything for you, it is always going to cost a load more

I've already talked about some of the pricing and the size of most of the rooms.  It doesn't take us anywhere, the every room is different - the bones we have to start with are different and the cost fittings are vastly different across mine, but installation costs aren't directly linked to the cost of a vanity unit or the tiles, for example.   What remains in each is quality of design and the same people creating a decent base behind the things you see each day. 

The person that's posted £9,500 for a basic suite with vinyl proves that it is the building work that costs money.  

All we know about the OP is the cost of their fittings, which isn't low, and that they're using a big shed who will contract out their fitting to another company who employ the labour, so you get two sets of margin.   No doubt I wouldn't be charging as much as they would for whatever the OP was getting, a decent one man band will
charge less than me without VAT and the responsibility and guarantee for both supply & fit, someone without proper skill and knowledge will charge less again, and someone doing it themselves will have no labour cost at all.  All the same thing, on the face of it.  

We really are talking about something similar to cars here, but is £14k unreasonable for 'a' bathroom or 'a' car?   No it isn't.  You can pay less or more, but the fit of something that will last isn't cheap.  I've got friends who fitted their bathrooms after some of those photographed, even using our tiler, but they're being replaced already because the prep is the most important thing.  

Is £14k unreasonable for the OPs design? Clearly not for the sheds who sell these things to ordinary people by the hundreds every day.  Can it be done for less? Yes.   Could they get more for the same? Yes Could they spend more?  Yes.  

More information needed! 

GDB2222

The OP said his room is 2.3m x 1.3m. I’m impressed that he is getting a bath, toilet and basin in the space. 

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GDB2222 said:

The OP said his room is 2.3m x 1.3m. I’m impressed that he is getting a bath, toilet and basin in the space. 

2.6 x 1.6. It already has a bath, stand alone shower, toilet and basin. Amended a slight measurement mistake in the OP 

victor2

I've just accepted a £15K quote to completely rip out and refurbish a 2.8m x 1.9m bathroom including removing the old airing cupboard where the hot water tank used to be, and converting it to a walk-in shower. Also replacing the window. I got prices from 3 local bathroom suppliers/installers and they were all in that region.

Only "essential" bit of luxury in there is a Japanese style toilet - the OH has been to Japan and decided she must have one!

That, plus the wiring it requires, is about £3K of the cost.