Selling changed items after completion

silvercar

TheJP said:

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

Im not so sure if that is fully correct, unless the OP stipulated in the offer that the radiators were part of the deal then i don't see a legal issue if the sellers have replaced the designer ones with functioning rads. No different to taking a fancy light fitting and replacing it with a standard fitting.

Why not replace the front door with a cheaper version? The garage door with some plywood and the windows with some single glaze panels?

diystarter7

silvercar said:

TheJP said:

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

Im not so sure if that is fully correct, unless the OP stipulated in the offer that the radiators were part of the deal then i don't see a legal issue if the sellers have replaced the designer ones with functioning rads. No different to taking a fancy light fitting and replacing it with a standard fitting.

Why not replace the front door with a cheaper version? The garage door with some plywood and the windows with some single glaze panels?

Hi

See my previous post how we got caught out with the fence.
Often, when we last moved, i do not recall seeing itemised rads. However, it could be we were not bothered and they were not desginer rads as we have in our property, we fitt designers every place we move to. On that note, I gues we would have ensured they were itemeised if there we decent designer rads as I do recall itemising had done a couple of light fittings and curtain in rentals but the curtains not exact make

Around 30 years or so ago another house we bought, they took the door bell - we never thought of that as it was on eletric this is days b4 Ring cctv etc, the clowns took the toilet rool hangers and the bulbs - it was a n inconveience but they kindly left a bulb on the atirs, bathrrom and one bedroom

The OP has a right to be upset and we learned our less years ago about the fence that was down and the agreement was they woul rplace it never did with think with a cheap, low slung fence.

As you said, why not the door,etc,etc  - next time if we move, and or kids move and they are not to tal referb - and or really like something, tell them to ensure that the colour/mdoel/fulldesrition pics is included and written in on the forum, exsting door/windows/rads/boiler/garge door/carpets/curatains/hob/over/sink etc to remain seem OTT but i think people are getting desperate and not so nice.

Thanks

GrumpyDil

Sure you'll be asked this soon but do you have legal cover on any household insurance who could be asked for an opinion.

(My own view is that I would be thinking of money claim online if less than 10k involved) 

TheJP

silvercar said:

TheJP said:

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

Im not so sure if that is fully correct, unless the OP stipulated in the offer that the radiators were part of the deal then i don't see a legal issue if the sellers have replaced the designer ones with functioning rads. No different to taking a fancy light fitting and replacing it with a standard fitting.

Why not replace the front door with a cheaper version? The garage door with some plywood and the windows with some single glaze panels?

Depends if they are as close to what should be left, i.e. you couldn't remove double glazing and replace single glazing. I guess the OP needs to raise with their solicitor and see what they say.

TripleH

I guess the question is what impact to the house the radiator swap has had?

I understand aluminium ones are good at removing heat in summer(?) Are the ones now also obviously different in look and size (thickness)?

You will have to weigh this up and be prepared to accept that you could end up investing a lot of effort in to a failed venture.

For the downright, can you easily see where the lights were attached to the cabinets or evidence that they were removed?

user1977

TripleH said:

I understand aluminium ones are good at removing heat in summer(?) 

I await further detail on how they do this!

TripleH

user1977 said:

TripleH said:

I understand aluminium ones are good at removing heat in summer(?) 

I await further detail on how they do this!

Yes, it puzzles me. Apparently the radiators work in reverse and absorb heat from the room when its hot. No idea where it goes once absorbed (or even if they have to be aluminium), but almost like a fridge type effect.

Friends were looking at something like this for their home but cost was too high.

ThisIsWeird

silvercar said:

TheJP said:

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

Im not so sure if that is fully correct, unless the OP stipulated in the offer that the radiators were part of the deal then i don't see a legal issue if the sellers have replaced the designer ones with functioning rads. No different to taking a fancy light fitting and replacing it with a standard fitting.

Why not replace the front door with a cheaper version? The garage door with some plywood and the windows with some single glaze panels?

And replace the 'fitted kitchen' with an all-in-one caravan unit, screwed firmly to the wall. The 'bathroom suite' with a urinal and a bucket. The hob with a gas camping stove screwed to the worktop...

My understanding is that all fixtures - whether specifically itemised or not - would be expected to be those seen in the viewings and when the offer was placed, unless clearly indicated otherwise. 

GDB2222

ThisIsWeird said:

silvercar said:

TheJP said:

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

Im not so sure if that is fully correct, unless the OP stipulated in the offer that the radiators were part of the deal then i don't see a legal issue if the sellers have replaced the designer ones with functioning rads. No different to taking a fancy light fitting and replacing it with a standard fitting.

Why not replace the front door with a cheaper version? The garage door with some plywood and the windows with some single glaze panels?

And replace the 'fitted kitchen' with an all-in-one caravan unit, screwed firmly to the wall. The 'bathroom suite' with a urinal and a bucket. The hob with a gas camping stove screwed to the worktop...

My understanding is that all fixtures - whether specifically itemised or not - would be expected to be those seen in the viewings and when the offer was placed, unless clearly indicated otherwise. 

Strictly, I’d say it’s the moment of exchanging contracts that applies, but it is obviously pretty nasty to change the rads without saying anything first.  That’s the point of the TA10 form, ie no such surprises. 

khanny09

pinkshoes said:

LavenderLamb101 said:

Yes still water heated rads.

Also what about down lighters under units in kitchen?

The downlighters were probably just stuck on and plugged in with the wires behind the kick board so "removable" therefore you can't really quibble over those. If they've left holes around the base and weren't just stick on ones then no they should not have removed them.

The radiators you can absolutely claim for as if they were being changed they should have notified you. Designer radiators are part of the aesthetics of a house purchase. I would make sure you keep the sales brochure with the photos showing the original radiators.

As a first port of call, It might be worth contacting the EA and let them know what has happened, and ask them to contact the vendor to let them know that you are expecting either the original radiators to be returned and the vendor paying to have them re-fitted (which will no doubt involve the boiler being drained and flushed again) or you will source the radiators and the vendor can pay for new ones to be fitted. Tell them you'd like a response within a week. 

Based on the information from the OP this is correct (although OP, your solicitor is the only one who has all the relevant facts, so you should speak to them to confirm).

The radiators are part of the heating system and are considered fixtures. The fixtures sold are the ones represented to the buyer (i.e. the ones that are shown to the buyer in the online listing and during their viewing).

As the seller changed them (especially for cheaper versions) they were obliged to inform you. While it's prudent to visit immediately before exchange, there was no obligation for you to do so - the onus was on the seller to not misrepresent, it was not on you to visit and see if they have made any misrepresentations.

Having said that, it's probably not worth the hassle to pursue it any further than a letter from your solicitor explaining the position and asking the seller to make good. Court cases can be terribly stressful and for the amount of money you've mentioned I don't think it's worth taking further.