Irish passport application needs Irish grandparent docs

youth_leader

Sorry Niesmann1, no idea if you'd need your divorce papers.  I had a quick search of the site and couldn't find anything. 

The other 'state' ID documents are listed on the website are 

"Photocopy of current state-issued ID document (i.e. passport, drivers licence, national identity card) certified as a true copy of the original by application form witness"

Good luck.  I've had the heating on, can't afford to apply until later in the year now unfortunately.

Niesmann1

Hi, and my apologies for late reply. What I pulled together to date and as follows. My parents marriage certificate, my fathers birth certificate, Dublin the the latter, my fathers death certificate. Colour photocopy of my current passport (witness signed application to go with copy). I contacted my local RoI consulate, lady I spoke with stated proof of divorce detail required. I plan to request copy of divorce and my birth certificate from registers house, as I do not fancy sending my originals.

I totally get you with the heating costs, frightening. And hard to swallow, as energy costs are reducing.

youth_leader

If you need passport photos, make sure they are the right size, apparently the size is different to UK.

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NoodleDoodleMan said:

This is a good website for finding Irish relatives.

https://www.irishgenealgraogy.ie/en/

You only need one grandparent to have been Irish to start the process of applying.

I'm eligible but haven't pursued it - it involves a lot of paperwork such a birth and marriage certificates going back to grandparent(s) time.

Nor am I convinced it's worth having if your spouse and children are not eligible.

Thanks. It seems like you need to have at least some idea who you are looking for. I'll have to talk to some relatives. Clutching at straws but I'm desperate to get my citizenship and rights back.

Voyager2002

marcia_ said:

Nor am I convinced it's worth having if your spouse and children are not eligible.

 But your spouse or children don't need to be eligible. Holding an EU passport means they can travel and live with you and enjoy the same benefits

We should distinguish between (i) going to Ireland, and (ii) going to other countries in the EU.

For (i) it is not terribly important since anyone who is a British citizen has the right to live and work in the Republic of Ireland.

For (ii), EU law on Freedom of Movement means that anyone who holds the passport of an EU member country such as Ireland has the right to live and work in any other EU country, and that right also applies to all of their immediate family when travelling together. So if you get an Irish passport you can move with your partner to Spain or Greece, where your partner can work as an English teacher or software engineer without worrying about a visa or work permit.

DullGreyGuy

Voyager2002 said:

marcia_ said:

Nor am I convinced it's worth having if your spouse and children are not eligible.

 But your spouse or children don't need to be eligible. Holding an EU passport means they can travel and live with you and enjoy the same benefits

We should distinguish between (i) going to Ireland, and (ii) going to other countries in the EU.

For (i) it is not terribly important since anyone who is a British citizen has the right to live and work in the Republic of Ireland.

For (ii), EU law on Freedom of Movement means that anyone who holds the passport of an EU member country such as Ireland has the right to live and work in any other EU country, and that right also applies to all of their immediate family when travelling together. So if you get an Irish passport you can move with your partner to Spain or Greece, where your partner can work as an English teacher or software engineer without worrying about a visa or work permit.

Only for up to 3 months... after that you do need to register your presence and whilst the process is certainly easier and cheaper than a visa typically is its not totally painless either. You have to show you are in work / self employed or that you can afford to live without state aid and you have health insurance. This has to be repeated periodically until you hit 5 years at which point you can apply for Permanent Residency.

If border forces are anything like the UKs (pre-brexit) then if you are the non-EU national travelling alone you can expect to be given a hard time by agents when trying to get back into the country even though you have the relevant stamps in your passport. Wife was held for 2 hours once because the agent didnt believe her.

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marcia_ said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

This is a good website for finding Irish relatives.

https://www.irishgenealgraogy.ie/en/

You only need one grandparent to have been Irish to start the process of applying.

I'm eligible but haven't pursued it - it involves a lot of paperwork such a birth and marriage certificates going back to grandparent(s) time.

Nor am I convinced it's worth having if your spouse and children are not eligible.

 But your spouse or children don't need to be eligible. Holding an EU passport means they can travel and live with you and enjoy the same benefits

That’s only good if you are actively planning to live in another EU country though, pointless otherwise. 

Definitely wouldn’t be pursuing it just to avoid a queue, the quick EU lane in most European Airports is the E Gates, and you cannot bring your non EU family members through those. 

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I'd get it if you can. You never know if the rules might change in the future. Your children may thank you one day too, even if you never benefit from it.

EU citizenship is incredibly valuable in some circumstances, and it's worth securing even if it's "just in case".

NoodleDoodleMan

Children of "born again " Irish citizens where such parent(s) qualify through grandparent legacy rights  are not entitled to ROI nationality - so there is not a lot to be gained in the long term.

youth_leader

I've found the money to apply, I'll update you in two years when it comes through!