Irish passport application needs Irish grandparent docs

Geranium44

Hi, my husband had two Irish grandparents but doesn't have their birth/ marriage certificates which he'll need to apply for his Irish passport by descent (he's a UK passport holder).
He's tried without success to search the ancestry websites for the Irish registry that would contain these - anyone know if there is a way to obtain copies of these documents?
Their births would have been late 1800's. 
many thanks

Browntoa

From here ?

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/124a70-apply-for-certificates/

Alan_Bowen

The Irish government's own website has records back to 1864 but you would really need to know at least the year of birth to have much hope of searching. For that, check the records of the parent whose own parents you are looking for as that will give the age of the grandparents when they married for example and give the full names of their parents, so start with government.ie and go from there

Geranium44

Browntoa said:

From here ?

https://www.gov.ie/en/service/124a70-apply-for-certificates/

Thanks very much!

Geranium44

Thanks Alan, top man! That's really helpful :-)

Mojisola

Alan_Bowen said:

The Irish government's own website has records back to 1864 but you would really need to know at least the year of birth to have much hope of searching. For that, check the records of the parent whose own parents you are looking for as that will give the age of the grandparents when they married for example and give the full names of their parents, so start with government.ie and go from there

It's also worth looking at the church records for baptism and marriage information if you know the area they came from.

My family came from a rural area and they often didn't get into town to register the birth in time to avoid a fine so they just gave a false date of birth so, if you find a baptism, look for birth certs either side of that date.

Also, ages on marriage certificates can be misleading.  It wasn't the 'done thing' for a bride to be older than her husband so I've got women who knocked anything up to ten years off their age on their marriage certificates!

Geranium44

I've managed to view the marriage record on a copy of an index from Ancestry.co.uk. Encouraging.
One question I should have asked is whether the Irish Passport Office accepts these kind of photocopy documents for Irish passport applications, obtained from ancestry websites? 

Geranium44

Thanks Mojisola! Great idea.

youth_leader

After a lot of wasted time I found this site - and eventually found my Irish grandmother's birth certificate on the HSE site. 

Get an Irish birth certificate online - HSE.ie

Unfortunately the records offices were burnt down so some are irretrievable.

Registering for Foreign Birth Registration is taking approximately two years and costs 278 euros.  I managed to get a copy of both her wedding and death certificate from ancestry, I think they cost £27.50 ish each.

How To Get An Irish Birth Certificate Online (irishfamilyhistorycentre.com)

Geranium44

youth_leader said:

After a lot of wasted time I found this site - and eventually found my Irish grandmother's birth certificate on the HSE site. 

Get an Irish birth certificate online - HSE.ie

Unfortunately the records offices were burnt down so some are irretrievable.

Registering for Foreign Birth Registration is taking approximately two years and costs 278 euros.  I managed to get a copy of both her wedding and death certificate from ancestry, I think they cost £27.50 ish each.

How To Get An Irish Birth Certificate Online (irishfamilyhistorycentre.com)

Thanks for this it’s great. Only remaining question is if it takes around two years to obtain an Irish passport, how long would the authorities retain my U.K. passport for? Clearly that could be problematic with any future planned overseas travel. 

youth_leader

Once you have the Foreign Birth Registration I believe you can apply for the Irish passport in the normal way?  I haven't got any further than collating all of the information and finally finding someone on the official 'Witness' list to witness my application.  I also need to save for the fee, I'll be submitting in March.

Registering a foreign birth - Department of Foreign Affairs (dfa.ie)

The documents I need to send for the application are 

My original birth certificate
My original marriage certificate
A certified photocopy of my passport (other options)
Two separate original copies of proof of address
Four photographs, two witnessed

For my grandmother I need to send

Original birth certificate 
Original marriage certificate
Copy of Death Certificate