HMO PROPERTY NEXT DOOR (BEDSITTS)

Cedartree123

Planning and licensing are two different things. If the HMO is for 6 or more unrelated people it requires planning permission to be converted from a house to a HMO. If it is for 5 or less, it will only need planning permission in areas covered by Article 4 Directions blocking that exact thing.

check on your councils planning pages. If no planning permission has been granted to convert it into a 6 person plus HMO, then it is worth giving your Council’s planning enforcement team a call to ask them to investigate. 

welly_59

If the units have their own toilets and kitchens then it's not a hmo

tellingtruthalways1244

welly_59 said:

If the units have their own toilets and kitchens then it's not a hmo

Looks like there is a tap in the room and ensuite but not a full instaled kitchen with hob   oven ect..

_Penny_Dreadful

tellingtruthalways1244 said:

welly_59 said:

If the units have their own toilets and kitchens then it's not a hmo

Looks like there is a tap in the room and ensuite but not a full instaled kitchen with hob   oven ect..

Whatever japes and wheezes the owner of next door is up to I still think the council's planning department is the way to go.

anselld

Cedartree123 said:

Planning and licensing are two different things. If the HMO is for 6 or more unrelated people it requires planning permission to be converted from a house to a HMO. If it is for 5 or less, it will only need planning permission in areas covered by Article 4 Directions blocking that exact thing.

check on your councils planning pages. If no planning permission has been granted to convert it into a 6 person plus HMO, then it is worth giving your Council’s planning enforcement team a call to ask them to investigate. 

If you are referring to the change of use from c4 to Sui Generis that is for more than six persons.  A six person HMO does not require planning permission unless Article 4 declaration applies.
Selective licensing is also irrelevant since a six bed HMO would already require a mandatory license.
So the situation for the OP is that planning permission is not required but a license application would be required prior to occupation.  The only grounds for objection would be some failure to meet the licensing requirements which is probably unlikely if the developer knows what they are doing.

Cedartree123

anselld said:

Cedartree123 said:

Planning and licensing are two different things. If the HMO is for 6 or more unrelated people it requires planning permission to be converted from a house to a HMO. If it is for 5 or less, it will only need planning permission in areas covered by Article 4 Directions blocking that exact thing.

check on your councils planning pages. If no planning permission has been granted to convert it into a 6 person plus HMO, then it is worth giving your Council’s planning enforcement team a call to ask them to investigate. 

If you are referring to the change of use from c4 to Sui Generis that is for more than six persons.  A six person HMO does not require planning permission unless Article 4 declaration applies.
Selective licensing is also irrelevant since a six bed HMO would already require a mandatory license.
So the situation for the OP is that planning permission is not required but a license application would be required prior to occupation.  The only grounds for objection would be some failure to meet the licensing requirements which is probably unlikely if the developer knows what they are doing.

Yep, hands up I got that one wrong. Scrap what I said and add one person, which is no use to the OP

tellingtruthalways1244

anselld said:

Cedartree123 said:

Planning and licensing are two different things. If the HMO is for 6 or more unrelated people it requires planning permission to be converted from a house to a HMO. If it is for 5 or less, it will only need planning permission in areas covered by Article 4 Directions blocking that exact thing.

check on your councils planning pages. If no planning permission has been granted to convert it into a 6 person plus HMO, then it is worth giving your Council’s planning enforcement team a call to ask them to investigate. 

If you are referring to the change of use from c4 to Sui Generis that is for more than six persons.  A six person HMO does not require planning permission unless Article 4 declaration applies.
Selective licensing is also irrelevant since a six bed HMO would already require a mandatory license.
So the situation for the OP is that planning permission is not required but a license application would be required prior to occupation.  The only grounds for objection would be some failure to meet the licensing requirements which is probably unlikely if the developer knows what they are doing.

Well I guess we cant do anything since the same owners have bought approximately 6 house on the estate with 1 being complete 1 year ago and holding 6 tenants already, I really hope we dont end up moving out because of nuisance from neighbours, god knows who will live in such small bedrooms...

anselld

tellingtruthalways1244 said:

anselld said:

Cedartree123 said:

Planning and licensing are two different things. If the HMO is for 6 or more unrelated people it requires planning permission to be converted from a house to a HMO. If it is for 5 or less, it will only need planning permission in areas covered by Article 4 Directions blocking that exact thing.

check on your councils planning pages. If no planning permission has been granted to convert it into a 6 person plus HMO, then it is worth giving your Council’s planning enforcement team a call to ask them to investigate. 

If you are referring to the change of use from c4 to Sui Generis that is for more than six persons.  A six person HMO does not require planning permission unless Article 4 declaration applies.
Selective licensing is also irrelevant since a six bed HMO would already require a mandatory license.
So the situation for the OP is that planning permission is not required but a license application would be required prior to occupation.  The only grounds for objection would be some failure to meet the licensing requirements which is probably unlikely if the developer knows what they are doing.

Well I guess we cant do anything since the same owners have bought approximately 6 house on the estate with 1 being complete 1 year ago and holding 6 tenants already, I really hope we dont end up moving out because of nuisance from neighbours, god knows who will live in such small bedrooms...

Plenty of decent people live in small rooms because that is what they can afford.  Plenty of obnoxious neighbours can afford to live in large homes.  You just don't know and it would be best not to pre-judge.

sourpuss2021

Slightly related:

https://forums.landlordzone.co.uk/forum/residential-letting-questions/1224771-ealing-selective-licensing

tellingtruthalways1244

I have just found that on the estate there is already a few hmo's earliest ones since 2019 - 2021 and atleast 10 more 3 bedroom houses being transformed in to 6 unit hmo's, I have found atleast 16 and all being owned by two men from same nationality and very similar postcodes.. so seems they definitely know each other, how is this even being allowed??? Alot of properties will lose in value, how is it possible a one way in estate is allowed so many HMO? Is there anything we can do as a estate/ village if more people start complaining????