Bristol Airport Charge Notice

MyMSEName

Mouse007 said:

MyMSEName said:

The company are saying that the responsibility for the charge lies with 'the driver', but they are unable to ascertain who the driver was from the info' given within the appeal, despite this info' being stated.

What? Did you not read the template appeal which you quoted above? in particular this line

"There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn."

Someone is trying to scam you and if you don't take a bit more care they might just get you.

Hi Mouse, yes I did, and I appreciate everyone's advice, but another member on this thread explained that given the circumstances of this case, a non template appeal would suffice, so I followed their instruction.
I don't understand how someone is trying to scam me, can you explain please?
Thanks for your input
Regards

MyMSEName

Fruitcake said:

You can either ignore it or add to the appeal portal that the keeper has already appealed and are awaiting cancellation of the charge since the alleged event occurred outside the area they are contracted to operate, is not relevant land, is covered by byelaws, and turning round is not parking as determined in the Jopson v Homeguard appeal case, plus entrapment.

Personally I would go with the latter and repeat it every time they contact you without addressing your points.

I think this is a case where an IAS appeal might be worthwhile.

I used all the above points in my son's IAS appeal, plus half a dozen complain ts because they failed to respond within the IPC CoP deadlines.

How did you get on with your complaints to the landowner, their contractor, and your MP?

Thanks Fruit cake much appreciated.
I have sent complaints to the two relevant MP's and Bristol Airport. So far I have only received automated responses. I also intend to send to OTPP, have I missed anyone? 

Fruitcake

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

You can either ignore it or add to the appeal portal that the keeper has already appealed and are awaiting cancellation of the charge since the alleged event occurred outside the area they are contracted to operate, is not relevant land, is covered by byelaws, and turning round is not parking as determined in the Jopson v Homeguard appeal case, plus entrapment.

Personally I would go with the latter and repeat it every time they contact you without addressing your points.

I think this is a case where an IAS appeal might be worthwhile.

I used all the above points in my son's IAS appeal, plus half a dozen complain ts because they failed to respond within the IPC CoP deadlines.

How did you get on with your complaints to the landowner, their contractor, and your MP?

Thanks Fruit cake much appreciated.
I have sent complaints to the two relevant MP's and Bristol Airport. So far I have only received automated responses. I also intend to send to OTPP, have I missed anyone? 

Western Daily Press and Bristol Evening Post.

MyMSEName

Fruitcake said:

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

You can either ignore it or add to the appeal portal that the keeper has already appealed and are awaiting cancellation of the charge since the alleged event occurred outside the area they are contracted to operate, is not relevant land, is covered by byelaws, and turning round is not parking as determined in the Jopson v Homeguard appeal case, plus entrapment.

Personally I would go with the latter and repeat it every time they contact you without addressing your points.

I think this is a case where an IAS appeal might be worthwhile.

I used all the above points in my son's IAS appeal, plus half a dozen complain ts because they failed to respond within the IPC CoP deadlines.

How did you get on with your complaints to the landowner, their contractor, and your MP?

Thanks Fruit cake much appreciated.
I have sent complaints to the two relevant MP's and Bristol Airport. So far I have only received automated responses. I also intend to send to OTPP, have I missed anyone? 

Western Daily Press and Bristol Evening Post.

Thank you

Fruitcake

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

You can either ignore it or add to the appeal portal that the keeper has already appealed and are awaiting cancellation of the charge since the alleged event occurred outside the area they are contracted to operate, is not relevant land, is covered by byelaws, and turning round is not parking as determined in the Jopson v Homeguard appeal case, plus entrapment.

Personally I would go with the latter and repeat it every time they contact you without addressing your points.

I think this is a case where an IAS appeal might be worthwhile.

I used all the above points in my son's IAS appeal, plus half a dozen complain ts because they failed to respond within the IPC CoP deadlines.

How did you get on with your complaints to the landowner, their contractor, and your MP?

Thanks Fruit cake much appreciated.
I have sent complaints to the two relevant MP's and Bristol Airport. So far I have only received automated responses. I also intend to send to OTPP, have I missed anyone? 

Western Daily Press and Bristol Evening Post.

Thank you

Do explain that this is not a one off but they have lost in court on several occasions for issuing charges where they are not contracted to operate including a public road as well as this and other airports. Also explain that Bristol airport is owned by a foreign investment company who are only interested in shovelling profit out of the country. They either don't care or possibly don't even know what their sub-contractor is doing.
Main sub-contractor, Bristol Airport Ltd sides with VCS.

PCNs issued and court claims made for stopping at airport pedestrian crossings. Motorists won court cases.
PCNs issued for stopping at an airport stop sign. Charge cancelled upon appeal.
PCN and a court claim for stopping at an airport roundabout give way sign outside the area where they are contracted to operate. Motorist won court case.
PCN and a court claim for stopping in a queue at an airport car park entrance barrier in the down position outside the area where they are contracted to operate. Motorist won court case.
PCNs (4) and a court claim issued for parking on a residential site when in fact the vehicle was parked on a public road. Motorist won on all four counts.
Airport byelaws ignored or abused.
Stopping is not parking as determined by the courts, yet the DVLA is happy to sell keeper private data to unregulated private parking companies for non-parking events, and parking companies issue parking charges by the score for non-parking events.

MyMSEName

Fruitcake said:

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

MyMSEName said:

Fruitcake said:

You can either ignore it or add to the appeal portal that the keeper has already appealed and are awaiting cancellation of the charge since the alleged event occurred outside the area they are contracted to operate, is not relevant land, is covered by byelaws, and turning round is not parking as determined in the Jopson v Homeguard appeal case, plus entrapment.

Personally I would go with the latter and repeat it every time they contact you without addressing your points.

I think this is a case where an IAS appeal might be worthwhile.

I used all the above points in my son's IAS appeal, plus half a dozen complain ts because they failed to respond within the IPC CoP deadlines.

How did you get on with your complaints to the landowner, their contractor, and your MP?

Thanks Fruit cake much appreciated.
I have sent complaints to the two relevant MP's and Bristol Airport. So far I have only received automated responses. I also intend to send to OTPP, have I missed anyone? 

Western Daily Press and Bristol Evening Post.

Thank you

Do explain that this is not a one off but they have lost in court on several occasions for issuing charges where they are not contracted to operate including a public road as well as this and other airports. Also explain that Bristol airport is owned by a foreign investment company who are only interested in shovelling profit out of the country. They either don't care or possibly don't even know what their sub-contractor is doing.
Main sub-contractor, Bristol Airport Ltd sides with VCS.

PCNs issued and court claims made for stopping at airport pedestrian crossings. Motorists won court cases.
PCNs issued for stopping at an airport stop sign. Charge cancelled upon appeal.
PCN and a court claim for stopping at an airport roundabout give way sign outside the area where they are contracted to operate. Motorist won court case.
PCN and a court claim for stopping in a queue at an airport car park entrance barrier in the down position outside the area where they are contracted to operate. Motorist won court case.
PCNs (4) and a court claim issued for parking on a residential site when in fact the vehicle was parked on a public road. Motorist won on all four counts.
Airport byelaws ignored or abused.
Stopping is not parking as determined by the courts, yet the DVLA is happy to sell keeper private data to unregulated private parking companies for non-parking events, and parking companies issue parking charges by the score for non-parking events.

Thanks again FC
I will use and edit a copy of the complaint I sent to the MP's, it covered most of the above, minus some of the more detailed specifics, so will add that info' too. 
Regards

MyMSEName

Coupon-mad said:

Yes that's OK but in fact I would appeal saying this instead. (NO TEMPLATE IN YOUR CASE):

"The driver was looking for drop off/pick up, but turned into what was mistakingly thought to be a long stay car park entrance, the driver panicked and stopped short of the barriers and began to reverse. Considering a u turn, the driver then saw that a camera van with orange rooftop lights flashing, had stopped on the road from where the driver had turned off.

Not knowing what to do, the driver put hazards on and walked to the van, and asked politely: if there is a charge for entering the car park? (driver had no means to pay) the reply was yes. The Driver then asked, Even if exiting straight away? The reply was yes.

The driver then asked is it ok to reverse? The reply was yes, that's why I'm waiting here as reversing onto the road isn't allowed. The driver said is that ok? the reply was yes. The driver thanked the person in the van and reversed out, and it appears this is when the pic was taken of the car 'stopping'."

The above is appalling entrapment.

Drop me an urgent pm and I will put you in touch with a well known TV show looking for case studies for a programme next week.  Yours is a horrible story and well worth them featuring (may well get it cancelled too).

Hi CM,
I appealed following your instruction, but received an unexpected response. I've received two emails, the first stating the appeal was not accepted, due to VCS being unable to ascertain who the driver was by the info' provided. With the options to either, (notify the driver) resubmit the appeal with driver's full name and address, so it can be processed correctly. Or, pay the lesser charge before the new deadline. Or, appeal through the IAS. 

The second email which states to disregard the previous correspondence due to an administration error, was almost identical except, there is no mention of the appeal not being accepted or an IAS appeal. 

I would appreciate your thoughts on the best course of action given the above. 
Regards

paulstevens64

I think this is getting a little confused, so, a few questions:

1) did you use CM's appeaal verbatim?
2) If so you have not told them who the driver is
3) For clarity, can you cut and paste here exactly what you appeaaled with?
4) The reason the second e-mail does not have an IAS appeal paragraph is that they are fishing for the name and address of the driver (which you will not give them). Wait a few weeks and you will receive a rejection and an IAS appeal option, or indeed a cancellation.

MyMSEName

Following the curveball thrown by VCS as mentioned in my last update, I just want to confirm that the consensus -going by the responses to my last update- is to wait as advised for VCS to make contact again? I.e, a rejection and the option to appeal via IAS.

Advice/input always appreciated.

Tia

Fruitcake

Ignore it and wait for your rejection and IAS code.

Keep both emails safe.

If you don't get an IAS code within the IPC prescribed time limit, 21 days I think, complain to VCS. If you still don't get an IAS code then complain to the IPC and include both emails, highlighting the second one that tells you to ignore the first. At the same time, complain again to the landowner, their agent, and your MP that VCS have failed to comply with the IPC CoP which is a breach of their contract with the landowner's agent. Again, highlight the fact that the alleged event occurred outside the area where VCS are not contracted to operate and therefore unlawfully obtained and processed your personal data.

Any updates on your original complaints to the landowner, their agent, the DVLA, and your MP?