Cost of energy per day

benson1980

keveen said:

Deleted_User said:

Any solutions keveen?  Or are you just going to keep pointing out that prices have gone up, which I'm pretty sure we have all noticed?

It's strange how many people have accepted a new high price norm and seem to think it's OK and affordable! And aren't angry about where their money is going. We must not accept it passively. 

What to do soon is to vote out the idiots and try a new lot (yes possibly the same) who will if we can believe any politician, introduce reforms to the market system. The only power we have is every 5 years and of course making it clear to our MPs that we are not happy with the way things are run. We don't get any benefit from cheap renewables as the price of their electricity is inflated to the highest gas price level that sets the price of electricity. another rigged system. It won't change unless people express their discontent. The They Work for You website is a great easy place to contact your MP. If they think we are happy they won't do anything.
Plus I'm getting a multi-fuel stove for next year...

I think what most of us understand is that Europe have quite rightly imposed punitive measures upon Russia which has driven up energy prices. Whilst the extra cost is painful, my take is that it is in part the price we need to try and pay to support Ukraine. 

The government has stepped in with subsidies and whilst I question the qualifications and qualities of some politicians much like most of us, there’s a bigger picture I feel rather than just kicking off at “the system”.

Swipe

MattMattMattUK said:

Lots of people have already made the same decision, so much so that the cost of solid fuels is expected to go through the roof, to the point that unless one has one's own woodland it will likely cost more than gas per kWh.

The smokeless fuel I use has doubled in price since this time last year. Stoves will likely be outlawed in a few years so I certainly wouldn't be contemplating installing a stove right now. I haven't lit mine this year yet due to coal costs and certainly don't miss the work.

Andy499

If I want to be warm - it can cost me £10 a day in gas alone.

So most of the time I am not warm and it costs me £3-4 a day only heating for 3 hours a day (1 morning, 2 evening).

I am currently trying a consistent temperature experiment with a low flow temperature (52-57 degrees) but on all the time (16 day and 13.5 night). 

Currently just got up to temperature at 16 and its quite comfortable (I am not wearing extra layers at the moment).. however, the first HALF day of this experiment cost me £7.60, I will be checking how much yesterday (on all day) costs me when my readings come from the smart meter to the octo app around 2pm... I suspect about £11-12. If this is the case, im going back to being cold all day as thats unaffordable.

InvertedVee

Swipe said: The smokeless fuel I use has doubled in price since this time last year. Stoves will likely be outlawed in a few years so I certainly wouldn't be contemplating installing a stove right now. I haven't lit mine this year yet due to coal costs and certainly don't miss the work.

You may well be right. Friends have just spent >£6000 on new stove and chimney. It will look beautiful but I wonder if they'll be using it regularly in a couple of years.

Magnitio

M0KBJ said:

Swipe said: The smokeless fuel I use has doubled in price since this time last year. Stoves will likely be outlawed in a few years so I certainly wouldn't be contemplating installing a stove right now. I haven't lit mine this year yet due to coal costs and certainly don't miss the work.

You may well be right. Friends have just spent >£6000 on new stove and chimney. It will look beautiful but I wonder if they'll be using it regularly in a couple of years.

If we are to reduce co2 emissions and local pollution, then this is definitely not a good idea.

markin

Andy499 said:

If I want to be warm - it can cost me £10 a day in gas alone.

So most of the time I am not warm and it costs me £3-4 a day only heating for 3 hours a day (1 morning, 2 evening).

I am currently trying a consistent temperature experiment with a low flow temperature (52-57 degrees) but on all the time (16 day and 13.5 night). 

Currently just got up to temperature at 16 and its quite comfortable (I am not wearing extra layers at the moment).. however, the first HALF day of this experiment cost me £7.60, I will be checking how much yesterday (on all day) costs me when my readings come from the smart meter to the octo app around 2pm... I suspect about £11-12. If this is the case, im going back to being cold all day as thats unaffordable.

Day 2 and 3 should be cheaper its just a question of how much, as long as outside temps are the same, Houses are 12+tons of mass and take days to warm up.

The same reason the first hr is the most expensive vs hr 2,3.

SnakePlissken

keveen said:

Deleted_User said:

Any solutions keveen?  Or are you just going to keep pointing out that prices have gone up, which I'm pretty sure we have all noticed?

It's strange how many people have accepted a new high price norm and seem to think it's OK and affordable! And aren't angry about where their money is going. We must not accept it passively. 

What to do soon is to vote out the idiots and try a new lot (yes possibly the same) who will if we can believe any politician, introduce reforms to the market system. The only power we have is every 5 years and of course making it clear to our MPs that we are not happy with the way things are run. We don't get any benefit from cheap renewables as the price of their electricity is inflated to the highest gas price level that sets the price of electricity. another rigged system. It won't change unless people express their discontent. The They Work for You website is a great easy place to contact your MP. If they think we are happy they won't do anything.
Plus I'm getting a multi-fuel stove for next year...

Agree, we should not accept this as a new normal, just as we will not accept NHS privatisation.

Filling MPs mailboxes to show disatisfaction is a good start and democracy in action.

And the way the energy market works is flawed and needs reformed as its not fit for purpose.
For electricity, yes ukraine affects slightly on gas generation, but renewables & nuclear  are no more expensive to produce than they were before ukraine war started.

SSE offered to have prices well  below cap on renewables, but regulator/UK gov appear to be dragging their feet on this.

If everything had not been privatised we would see cheaper energy today.
A windfall tax should be applied, similarly to what EU is doing.

SnakePlissken

MattMattMattUK said:

keveen said:

Deleted_User said:

Any solutions keveen?  Or are you just going to keep pointing out that prices have gone up, which I'm pretty sure we have all noticed?

It's strange how many people have accepted a new high price norm and seem to think it's OK and affordable! And aren't angry about where their money is going. We must not accept it passively. 

The markets are international, if we do not pay the price on the international markets then no one will supply us and the lights will go out. We can either accept that, or we can have a tantrum, having a tantrum will not keep the lights on.

keveen said:

What to do soon is to vote out the idiots and try a new lot (yes possibly the same) who will if we can believe any politician, introduce reforms to the market system. 

What "reforms to the market system" do you suggest? How do we reform an international hydrocarbons market? How do we reform Russia's warmongering? 

keveen said:
The only power we have is every 5 years and of course making it clear to our MPs that we are not happy with the way things are run. 

We might be able to change governments, but they are still limited by reality. They cannot magic up energy to keep the lights on so it does not matter who is in power, they are still constrained by energy supplies.

keveen said:
We don't get any benefit from cheap renewables as the price of their electricity is inflated to the highest gas price level that sets the price of electricity. another rigged system.

Who is this "we"? Those who paid for and built the renewable generation capacity benefit from it financially, those who use the electricity benefit because it keeps the lights on. Do you mean that you do not gain personally from something you have not paid for?

keveen said:
It won't change unless people express their discontent. 

So, your proposal is what, a tantrum?

keveen said:
The They Work for You website is a great easy place to contact your MP. If they think we are happy they won't do anything.

They almost certainly do not think the electorate is happy, they are aware that many of them are going to lose their seats at the next election, none of that means that they can come up with a magic solution to make energy from nothing.

keveen said:

Plus I'm getting a multi-fuel stove for next year...

Lots of people have already made the same decision, so much so that the cost of solid fuels is expected to go through the roof, to the point that unless one has one's own woodland it will likely cost more than gas per kWh.

Are you a tory appologist?

If to show MP discontent is throwing a tantrum.
Then in history, from suffragetres to todays strikes by post, rail & nhs staff is having a tantrum?

History shows governments, especially UK govs only make changes when public shows discontent.
From tolpuddle martyrs, suffragettes to  poll tax riots and strikes these only achieved change when action was taken to show discontent with the government.

Ally_E.

I don't have a smart meter, but work out the cost myself in a spreadsheet and it's around £16-21 at the moment. 

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SnakePlissken said:

If everything had not been privatised we would see cheaper energy today.

I would be interested in understanding your rationale for making such a statement. One of the key reasons why we are in the situation that we are in is because of short-term Government decision making on such things as investment in nuclear power; energy storage etc. The international markets decide the price of energy. The companies that drill for gas etc are now international companies (yes, even BP) who will direct supply to those who will pay the most. How would this change with PowerUK?

PS: if you think that the NHS is primes inter pares when it comes to health care, you clearly haven’t been a inpatient in a NHS Hospital recently.