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  • pathris
    pathris Posts: 42 Forumite
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    Hi there, 

    I received POPLA response today stating my appeal was refused. I'll appreciate any tips on how to proceed: 

    Attaching the operator  case summary first: 
    1. Operator Case Summary

    Thank you for the email concerning the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued at Stansted Airport by NSL Ltd on behalf of Manchester Airport Group. The PCN was issued for the following contravention: Parked in a restricted location during prescribed hours. After careful consideration, we regret to inform the keeper that the PCN will not be cancelled on this occasion as the PCN was issued correctly. The driver has advised the vehicle was hired and that the PCN to hirer is not valid. Please be aware that we have not issued any notices to Xxxx LTD. The hire company would need to provide us with the information that the vehicle was on hire at the time that the PCN was served, then a new Notice to Keeper would have been issued to the nominated party. We must advise the keeper that the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 covers the principle of ‘Keeper liability’ in specific circumstances, we believe that all those requirements have been met and the registered keeper of the above vehicle remains liable to Pay the Notice in line with the aforementioned Act as the applicable 3rd party’s details were not provided. A copy of the original challenge has been included as well as images and a video of the regulations being contravened. In conclusion, a full review of all the evidence regarding the issuing of the PCN has taken place, and, in light of the findings we are unwilling to cancel the Notice.


    Please note I appealed as the hirer not the driver as it states above. 


    2. POPLA Response: 


    The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal • The requirements of Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 were not met • It is not relevant land under PoFA • Misleading or unclear signage • No Grace period was given • The amount demanded is a penalty and not a parking charge The appellant has attached a pdf copy of the appeal grounds as evidence to support their appeal. The above evidence will be considered when making my determination. The appellant has provided a signed letter from LeasePlan UK Ltd giving them authority to represent the registered keeper as a third party.

    Assessor supporting rational for decision

    The driver has not been identified; therefore, I must see whether the operator has complied with the relevant sections of the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 for them to transfer liability to the keeper. I have reviewed the PCN, and I am satisfied all sections have been met therefore, I am considering LeasePlan UK Ltd’s liability as the keeper of the vehicle. When entering onto a private car park such as this one, any motorist forms a contract with the operator by remaining on the land for a reasonable period. The signage in place sets out the terms and conditions of this contract. The operator has provided photographic evidence of the signage in place in the car park, which states: “Restricted ZONE…No stopping…No waiting”. The motorist is also advised that failure to comply with the terms and conditions will result in a PCN being issued for £100. The operator has provided video evidence of the vehicle parked within the restricted zone. When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The appellant has raised several grounds. As such I will address each area individually. • The requirements of Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012 were not met From the evidence provided in the operator’s case file, it is clear that the registered keeper of the vehicle is LeasePlan UK LTD. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, paragraph 4 (1) states “the creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle”. Section 13 (2) goes on to state that “the creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given – (a) A statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement. (b) A copy of the hire agreement; and (c) A copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement.” These statements and agreements were not supplied to the parking operator and as such they hold the registered keeper liable under the terms of PoFA 2012. As noted earlier in this decision I am satisfied the relevant warnings and information were given and appropriate timescales applied. The PCN is PoFA compliant. • It is not relevant land under PoFA The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question. This can come in the form of a witness statement under Section 23.16B of the BPA Code of Practice or a full contract. In this case the operator has provided a statement from the landowner, and I am satisfied this is relevant land and that NSL are authorised to manage and enforce parking regulations within it. • Misleading or unclear signage Section 19.3 of the Code says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms. In this case the parking operator’s evidence shows signs were placed around the site which I conclude adequately communicate the terms and conditions of use. I find that the signs are conspicuous and the working on them both readable and understanding. In this case motorist are informed they are within a restricted zone and that no stopping or waiting is permitted. • No Grace period was given Section 13.4 of the Code of Practice states that unauthorised motorists will not be entitled to the minimum time period of 5 minutes for a consideration period in spaces designated for specific users or where parking is not allowed. Section 13.3 explains a grace period can be given when a limited period of parking is permitted. With no period of parking permitted for any reason or any duration in this case, a grace period would not be applicable. • The amount demanded is a penalty and not a parking charge The fairness of parking charges was considered more broadly by the Supreme Court in the case of ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67. To conclude on whether the charge is fair, I must first look at what the Court said. The Court recognised that parking charges have all the characteristics of a penalty, but nevertheless were enforceable because there were legitimate interests in the charging of overstaying motorists: “In our opinion, while the penalty rule is plainly engaged, the £85 charge is not a penalty. The reason is that although ParkingEye was not liable to suffer loss as a result of overstaying motorists, it had a legitimate interest in charging them which extended beyond the recovery of any loss… deterrence is not penal if there is a legitimate interest in influencing the conduct of the contracting party which is not satisfied by the mere right to recover damages for breach of contract.” (paragraph 99). The Court did however make it clear that the parking charge must be proportionate: “None of this means that ParkingEye could charge overstayers whatever it liked. It could not charge a sum which would be out of all proportion to its interest or that of the landowner for whom it is providing the service.” (paragraph 100) It concluded that a charge in the region of £85 was proportionate, and it attached importance to the fact that the charge was prominently displayed in large lettering on the signage. The Court made it clear that the same considerations that means it was not a penalty also mean it is not unfair: “In our opinion, the same considerations which show that the £85 charge is not a penalty, demonstrate that it is not unfair for the purpose of the Regulations.” (paragraph 104). Based on this, I conclude the charge is appropriately prominent and in the region of £85 and is therefore not unfair. Having reviewed the evidence provided by both parties, I conclude that the driver was parked without authorisation within a restricted zone and therefore failed to adhere to the terms and conditions of use. As such the operator issued the PCN correctly. Accordingly, the appeal is refused.

  • pathris
    pathris Posts: 42 Forumite
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    edited 26 February 2023 at 11:03PM
    Thank you, Coupon-mad!
    LeasePlan UK have transferred the liability of this offence to me already. 

    So the next step should be POPLA rebuttal based on "The PCN is PoFA compliant. • It is not relevant land under PoFA" as mentioned above? 

    Also who shall I address my new appeal to for reassessing? On POPLA page it doesn't allow to submit further appeals, it sends you to Citizen's Advice B. or independent legal advisor. However I found one my old case where I went to Mr Gallagher - should I go this route again? 

    Thanks, P.

  • KeithP
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    pathris said:
    So the next step should be POPLA rebuttal based on "The PCN is PoFA compliant. • It is not relevant land under PoFA" as mentioned above? 
    The point is that as this alleged transgression took place on land that is covered by byelaws, then PoFA doesn't apply at all. It is therefore of no relevance whether the PCN is 'PoFA compliant' or not.

    As PoFA doesn't apply, there is no way that the parking company can transfer any driver's liability to the keeper.
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 26 February 2023 at 11:40PM
    Not POPLA rebuttal nor a further appeal. That's not what I said.  I clearly said do a complaint and told you what to say, word for word.
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  • thank you, both!

    best, P
  • pathris
    pathris Posts: 42 Forumite
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    edited 13 March 2023 at 11:26PM
    Hi All, 

    I received a response to my complaint, which is not the answer I was expecting. I'll appreciate any advice on what's next?
    You'll notice the second point of my complaint is taken from another forum member who had similar case with NSL and he won based on this point entirely. HIs case ref relating to NSL Ltd Stansted Airport is BPA-033381. 

    I am surprised to see that different assessors make completely different decision based on the same argument. 

    "Thank you for your email, which was passed to me by the Lead Adjudicator, as I am responsible for responding to complaints about POPLA decisions.

     

    I note from your correspondence that you are unhappy with the decision reached by the assessor in your appeal against NSL Limited.

     

    Before I begin, I must explain that POPLA is an impartial and independent appeals service and we do not act either for the parking operator or the appellant. It is important to explain that POPLA is a one-stage process, and we would not change a decision because either party disputes the assessor’s decision. However, we may consider an appeal if there has been a procedural error, for example – if we failed to allow a motorist to comment on a parking operator’s evidence pack. My role as a complaints handler is to determine whether a procedural error has occurred during the assessment of your appeal.

     

    Having read your complaint, I will address each point individually:

     

    You state that this is an airport and airport land is not relevant land as it is already covered by statutory Byelaws which are excluded from keeper liability under the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012. You say therefore the keeper cannot be held liable and it is clear the assessor has misunderstood where keeper liability applies and cannot apply in law. You say due to this the appeal needs reassessing.

     

    I can see from this case that the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued at Stansted Airport and the reason for the issue was as the vehicle was observed parked in a restricted area during prescribed hours.

     

    Whilst airports can have Byelaws in effect and will use them to issue a Penalty Notice to motorists who breach the rules and regulations of the agreement in place to park, in this instance the operator is not using the Byelaws to issue a Penalty Notice it is issuing a warning enforcement charge as shown on the signs which is a PCN using contract law in order to do so.  As such we do not need to consider the Byelaws in this instance as they are not being used to enforce parking upon this area of the land.

     

    The assessor has considered this point within his assessment stating:

     

    “Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question.

    This can come in the form of a witness statement under Section 23.16B of the BPA Code of Practice or a full contract. In this case the operator has provided a statement from the landowner, and I am satisfied this is relevant land and that NSL are authorised to manage and enforce parking regulations within it.”

     

    The agreement stated the below:

    6th March 2020

    Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency

    Swansea 

    SA99 1 AJ

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Stansted Airport Limited are the Airport Authority and Highways Authority  for all landside roads with the airport boundary. 

    NSL Ltd are contracted to undertake all landside road enforcement on our behalf including the processing, issuing and management of Parking Charge Notices for all designated airport roads.

    They commenced the parking enforcement for Stansted Airport Ltd as from April 1st 2020.

    Therefore, I would like to inform you that I authorise NSL Ltd to obtain information via yourself regarding unauthorised vehicles dropping off/picking up/waiting on airport operated no -designated roads to allow the processing of Parking Charge Notices.  

     The assessor was satisfied that the operator had authorisation to issue manage and enforce parking on this land following its copy of the agreement between itself and the landowner. They were satisfied that it was relevant land in order for it to do so, however, I do believe the assessor could have explained this in more detail regarding the Byelaws point you made.

     

    You state that the signs at this location does not comply with the road traffic regulations or their permitted variations as they are misleading and unable to be seen by the driver without stopping. You say they do no not comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice and the operator needs to evidence the contrary. You say the operator has not evidenced that any person or item was dropped off or picked up in this no stopping or waiting at any time to drop off or pick up zone. You say the driver stopped to read the signs, rejected them and left.

     

    I acknowledge the points you have made regarding the signs, however, can see the assessor considered this within his report and were satisfied the signs were conspicuous and complied with the BPA Code of Practice in section 19.3. He said:

     

    “I find that the signs are conspicuous and the working on them both readable and understanding. In this case motorist are informed they are within a restricted zone and that no stopping or waiting is permitted.”

     

    The video provided by the operator shows that there was a sign within the vicinity of the vehicle and the operator provided several other images of the signs which the assessor was satisfied with. The assessor also discussed the point you made about time being granted to read the signs stating:

     

    “With no period of parking permitted for any reason or any duration in this case, a grace period would not be applicable.”

     

    Having reviewed his assessment, whilst I agree that no period of parking is permitted on this land so a consideration period to read the signs would not be granted, he has not addressed the point where you have mentioned about any action of picking up or dropping off. I apologise for this and will feed back to the assessor for coaching and decision-making accuracy purposes going forward, however, as stated the action of stopping or waiting for any period is not permitted and this includes the action of picking up or dropping off. Whilst the video evidence does not show someone or something being picked up or dropped off, the signs do not permit stopping or waiting.

     

    Upon review of the decision reached for your appeal, I am satisfied that the correct outcome has been reached and that no procedural error has occurred. As stated above I will provide feedback to the assessor as I believe more detail was required in order to explain things further.

     

    As POPLA is a one-stage process, there is no opportunity for you to appeal the decision.

     

    In closing, I am sorry that your experience of using our service has not been positive. We have reached the end of our process and my response now concludes our complaints procedure. I trust you will appreciate that there will be no further review of your complaint and it will not be appropriate for us to respond to any further correspondence on this matter."

     

    Yours sincerely,

     

    Amy Smith

    POPLA Complaints Team

     




  • pathris
    pathris Posts: 42 Forumite
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    Thank you so much, Coupon-mad for taking the time to write all this! lI really appreciate all your help and can't wait to send the response tomorrow morning. 
  • pathris
    pathris Posts: 42 Forumite
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    Hi there, 

    Just an update on the above topic. 

    I received a response from British parking not Sara Roberts, but Gemma: 

    "Thank you for your email which has been passed to myself to review.

     I have logged your complaint under reference xxxxx and will investigate the matter with POPLA.  Please note POPLA are an independent appeals service and therefore we cannot become involved with their decision making.

     Furthermore, as we are not a regulatory body we are unable to compel a member to cancel a parking charge notice.  I will be in touch as soon as I have received a response from POPLA"


    On a different note, the Lease Company wrote to me explaining they can't transfer liability as the parking operator doesn't allow them and they are now being chased. "The legislation surrounding private parking means that LeasePlan as the register keeper will be held liable for these charges if you don't take any actions" Is there any way out of this? 


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