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Savvy_Sue

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

diystarter7

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Ath_Wat

diystarter7 said:

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Do you also feel £20 a month is too much for house insurance, as you can just go out and get it when your house catches fire?

diystarter7

diystarter7 said:

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Ath_Wat said:

diystarter7 said:

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Do you also feel £20 a month is too much for house insurance, as you can just go out and get it when your house catches fire?

The subject matter as per your quote of my post is 'union fees.' and NOT as you stated lol.  Never mind long thread, take care.

Ath_Wat

diystarter7 said:

diystarter7 said:

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Ath_Wat said:

diystarter7 said:

Savvy_Sue said:

It won't be as much as £15 pm for a trainee. 

True, but 15 pounds can go a long way. Perosnally, if I was still working and paying 20 odd quid or 15 for that matter, I'd leave.
However, come trouble, most will need a union rep. Thanks

Do you also feel £20 a month is too much for house insurance, as you can just go out and get it when your house catches fire?

The subject matter as per your quote of my post is 'union fees.' and NOT as you stated lol.  Never mind long thread, take care.

Yes, I know.  Hence the word "also".  Can you honestly not see the connection?  I am happy to give you an explanation if you like, but I really didn't think it would be necessary.

diystarter7

What connection between my post you quoted that clearly stated the subject matter as "UnionFees," and you start talking about  "insurance"  lack of resulting in "house fires"



Perhaps you got threads confused?  

Ath_Wat

diystarter7 said:

What connection between my post you quoted that clearly stated the subject matter as "UnionFees," and you start talking about  "insurance"  lack of resulting in "house fires"



Perhaps you got threads confused?  

Ok.

You buy insurance in case you need it, because if you could buy it when your house started burning down and you need it, everyone would do that, and insurers wouldn't have any income, so they don't allow that.

You join a union in case you need them, because if you could join them just when something goes wrong and you do need them, then everyone would do that and they wouldn't have any income, so unions don't allow that (as a general rule). 

I really didn't think that would be a struggle for anyone.

diystarter7

Ath_Wat said:

diystarter7 said:

What connection between my post you quoted that clearly stated the subject matter as "UnionFees," and you start talking about  "insurance"  lack of resulting in "house fires"



Perhaps you got threads confused?  

Ok.

You buy insurance in case you need it, because if you could buy it when your house started burning down and you need it, everyone would do that, and insurers wouldn't have any income, so they don't allow that.

You join a union in case you need them, because if you could join them just when something goes wrong and you do need them, then everyone would do that and they wouldn't have any income, so unions don't allow that (as a general rule). 

I really didn't think that would be a struggle for anyone.

Ok

Apols as I don't get alerts at times not sure why.

Why are you confusing the clear-cut topic here about work problems being in a union and confusing this with property insurance?

How and why are you comparing union membership fees and buildings insurance and "house burning down." ?

What is it you try to say? Is it that you can't join a union once the problem has started but as you know you can join in a scenario like that? So why compare it with property insurance?

I honestly can't see the two points you raised being in the same boat and can only guess why you are saying that.

I have nothing more to add as I'm clear, joining a union, one can join after a problem has started - one clearly can't do that once the damage to the house has occurred as you state. I really don't believe this topic is not clear-cut re problems at work and then being in a union. 

Take care.

elsien

diystarter7 said:

Ath_Wat said:

diystarter7 said:

What connection between my post you quoted that clearly stated the subject matter as "UnionFees," and you start talking about  "insurance"  lack of resulting in "house fires"



Perhaps you got threads confused?  

Ok.

You buy insurance in case you need it, because if you could buy it when your house started burning down and you need it, everyone would do that, and insurers wouldn't have any income, so they don't allow that.

You join a union in case you need them, because if you could join them just when something goes wrong and you do need them, then everyone would do that and they wouldn't have any income, so unions don't allow that (as a general rule). 

I really didn't think that would be a struggle for anyone.

Ok

Apols as I don't get alerts at times not sure why.

Why are you confusing the clear-cut topic here about work problems being in a union and confusing this with property insurance?

How and why are you comparing union membership fees and buildings insurance and "house burning down." ?

What is it you try to say? Is it that you can't join a union once the problem has started but as you know you can join in a scenario like that? So why compare it with property insurance?

I honestly can't see the two points you raised being in the same boat and can only guess why you are saying that.

I have nothing more to add as I'm clear, joining a union, one can join after a problem has started - one clearly can't do that once the damage to the house has occurred as you state. I really don't believe this topic is not clear-cut re problems at work and then being in a union. 

Take care.

That’s not correct.
Or rather unions tend to have a rule that if you already have a problem with your employer before you join there is a waiting period before you can raise the issue. 

Because it breaks the union model if people only pay their subscriptions when they have to.

Hence Ath Wats analogy to house insurance, which was perfectly clear to me. 

Savvy_Sue

elsien said:

diystarter7 said:

Ath_Wat said:

diystarter7 said:

What connection between my post you quoted that clearly stated the subject matter as "UnionFees," and you start talking about  "insurance"  lack of resulting in "house fires"



Perhaps you got threads confused?  

Ok.

You buy insurance in case you need it, because if you could buy it when your house started burning down and you need it, everyone would do that, and insurers wouldn't have any income, so they don't allow that.

You join a union in case you need them, because if you could join them just when something goes wrong and you do need them, then everyone would do that and they wouldn't have any income, so unions don't allow that (as a general rule). 

I really didn't think that would be a struggle for anyone.

I have nothing more to add as I'm clear, joining a union, one can join after a problem has started - one clearly can't do that once the damage to the house has occurred as you state. I really don't believe this topic is not clear-cut re problems at work and then being in a union. 

Take care.

That’s not correct.
Or rather unions tend to have a rule that if you already have a problem with your employer before you join there is a waiting period before you can raise the issue. 

Because it breaks the union model if people only pay their subscriptions when they have to.

Hence Ath Wats analogy to house insurance, which was perfectly clear to me. 

I agree that's the usual model, and the better comparison is probably to travel  insurance: many people only take it out just before travel, but that can be too late: don't wait until you need it, don't wait until you might need it, buy it when you book. 

But back to unions: I don't doubt that diy found he could get help as soon as he joined, I have known that happen, BUT that is the exception, and it's really not a good idea to wait until you have a problem.

When I saw it happen, the union was very keen to increase membership, and existing members were keen to get employer recognition. Someone was sent home under investigation, don't talk to anyone etc, and the union agreed to give immediate support even though they'd only just joined.