£400 rebate energy bill

Fulli01

Alnat1 said:

Does the landlord split the standing charge too? People who are getting £400 are paying full standing charge.

We all pay the full standing charge.

MattMattMattUK

Fulli01 said:

Deleted_User said:

Fulli01 said:

StevieEJ said:

Hi new to this do do forgive me if this has been answered. How do you get the government energy support if you have a secondary meter? Ie landlord owns the meter? 

Hi,
I'm in the same position as you, along with my two neighbours.
We live in 3 small cottages on our landlord's property, and we all have our own electric meters.
Our electric is supplied from the landlord's house via his meter.
The landlord gives us a bill regularly, according to our meters readings.

We have approached the landlord about the energy rebate. He's already being credited the monthly discount to his account. He said he is willing to split the discount between all four dwellings including his. I consider this very reasonable of course, but it doesn't really solve the issue, considering each of us are entitled to the whole energy rebate of £400. Not just a quarter of it. 

If you hear anymore on this StevieEJ I would be very grateful if you could let me know.
Thanks. 

You're not though.

You might want to be eligible, but as the scheme is written you are not.

As far as I'm aware, and according to the government website. the eligibility for the rebate is ALL households with a domestic electricity connection.

Yes as a headline, but the devil is in the detail, anyone on a sub-meter does not have a domestic electricity connection in the way that the scheme has been designed, which specifies a domestic energy account with one of the regulated energy providers. They do say that they are looking at ways to help other households, but it seems that there has been no progress on that since the original announcement and it appears likely it will end up getting dropped due to issues administering any such extension to the scheme. 

molerat

Fulli01 said:

Alnat1 said:

Does the landlord split the standing charge too? People who are getting £400 are paying full standing charge.

We all pay the full standing charge.

How do you each pay the full standing charge ?

doesntnotcompute

Fulli01 said:

As far as I'm aware, and according to the government website. the eligibility for the rebate is ALL households with a domestic electricity connection.

....with a licensed energy supplier - you have a contract with your landlord. If your landlord has a domestic contract with a licensed supplier then they are supposed to reflect the rebate that they are entitled to in the energy prices they charge you.

Fulli01

MattMattMattUK said:

Fulli01 said:

Deleted_User said:

Fulli01 said:

StevieEJ said:

Hi new to this do do forgive me if this has been answered. How do you get the government energy support if you have a secondary meter? Ie landlord owns the meter? 

Hi,
I'm in the same position as you, along with my two neighbours.
We live in 3 small cottages on our landlord's property, and we all have our own electric meters.
Our electric is supplied from the landlord's house via his meter.
The landlord gives us a bill regularly, according to our meters readings.

We have approached the landlord about the energy rebate. He's already being credited the monthly discount to his account. He said he is willing to split the discount between all four dwellings including his. I consider this very reasonable of course, but it doesn't really solve the issue, considering each of us are entitled to the whole energy rebate of £400. Not just a quarter of it. 

If you hear anymore on this StevieEJ I would be very grateful if you could let me know.
Thanks. 

You're not though.

You might want to be eligible, but as the scheme is written you are not.

As far as I'm aware, and according to the government website. the eligibility for the rebate is ALL households with a domestic electricity connection.

Yes as a headline, but the devil is in the detail, anyone on a sub-meter does not have a domestic electricity connection in the way that the scheme has been designed, which specifies a domestic energy account with one of the regulated energy providers. They do say that they are looking at ways to help other households, but it seems that there has been no progress on that since the original announcement and it appears likely it will end up getting dropped due to issues administering any such extension to the scheme. 

Thanks for the reply.
Yes I'm aware of their supposed intention to include all households in the scheme, hence my interest in the original post.
Unfortunately I'm not privy to the specific details of the scheme as you seem to be.
Is it possible you could post a link perhaps? 

Fulli01

doesntnotcompute said:

Fulli01 said:

As far as I'm aware, and according to the government website. the eligibility for the rebate is ALL households with a domestic electricity connection.

....with a licensed energy supplier - you have a contract with your landlord. If your landlord has a domestic contract with a licensed supplier then they are supposed to reflect the rebate that they are entitled to in the energy prices they charge you.

Yes, as I said previously, our landlord has offered to split his £400 between all of us.
 As far as the electric company know, they have fulfilled their side of things by passing on the rebate to him.

Jyana

Fulli01 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Fulli01 said:

Deleted_User said:

Fulli01 said:

StevieEJ said:

Hi new to this do do forgive me if this has been answered. How do you get the government energy support if you have a secondary meter? Ie landlord owns the meter? 

Hi,
I'm in the same position as you, along with my two neighbours.
We live in 3 small cottages on our landlord's property, and we all have our own electric meters.
Our electric is supplied from the landlord's house via his meter.
The landlord gives us a bill regularly, according to our meters readings.

We have approached the landlord about the energy rebate. He's already being credited the monthly discount to his account. He said he is willing to split the discount between all four dwellings including his. I consider this very reasonable of course, but it doesn't really solve the issue, considering each of us are entitled to the whole energy rebate of £400. Not just a quarter of it. 

If you hear anymore on this StevieEJ I would be very grateful if you could let me know.
Thanks. 

You're not though.

You might want to be eligible, but as the scheme is written you are not.

As far as I'm aware, and according to the government website. the eligibility for the rebate is ALL households with a domestic electricity connection.

Yes as a headline, but the devil is in the detail, anyone on a sub-meter does not have a domestic electricity connection in the way that the scheme has been designed, which specifies a domestic energy account with one of the regulated energy providers. They do say that they are looking at ways to help other households, but it seems that there has been no progress on that since the original announcement and it appears likely it will end up getting dropped due to issues administering any such extension to the scheme. 

Thanks for the reply.
Yes I'm aware of their supposed intention to include all households in the scheme, hence my interest in the original post.
Unfortunately I'm not privy to the specific details of the scheme as you seem to be.
Is it possible you could post a link perhaps? 

Here's the link to the government site, where it refers to it being administered by domestic suppliers only I'm afraid.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/400-energy-bills-discount-to-support-households-this-winter

ETA: I have just noticed that you have said that you pay a full standing charge each. I would pay particular attention to the Ofgem’s guidance on protection against this in the Note to Editors part of this page, as this is not allowed and you will be able to claim this back.

Fulli01

molerat said:

Fulli01 said:

Alnat1 said:

Does the landlord split the standing charge too? People who are getting £400 are paying full standing charge.

We all pay the full standing charge.

How do you each pay the full standing charge ?

We pay it as part of the metered bill. Electric supply rate plus standing charge. I think it's 42 per tenant per day as of recently.
Also, I'm aware of forthcoming gov. legislation to prohibit landlords profiting from the supply of electricity to their tenants.

ariarnia

Fulli01 said:

molerat said:

Fulli01 said:

Alnat1 said:

Does the landlord split the standing charge too? People who are getting £400 are paying full standing charge.

We all pay the full standing charge.

How do you each pay the full standing charge ?

We pay it as part of the metered bill. Electric supply rate plus standing charge. I think it's 42 per tenant per day as of recently.
Also, I'm aware of forthcoming gov. legislation to prohibit landlords profiting from the supply of electricity to their tenants.

theres already legistlation saying people who are reselling energy (like your landlord) aren't allowed to profit. so if there is only one domestic supply (and only one rebate) then all four of you (inc the landlord as he uses the supply) should be paying one standing charge (a quarter each). 

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/2005/10/11782-resaleupdateoct05_3.pdf



thats why you dont (and arent supposed to) each get the 400 rebate. you have one domestic supply so one rebate and one standing charge. 

Fulli01

ariarnia said:

Fulli01 said:

molerat said:

Fulli01 said:

Alnat1 said:

Does the landlord split the standing charge too? People who are getting £400 are paying full standing charge.

We all pay the full standing charge.

How do you each pay the full standing charge ?

We pay it as part of the metered bill. Electric supply rate plus standing charge. I think it's 42 per tenant per day as of recently.
Also, I'm aware of forthcoming gov. legislation to prohibit landlords profiting from the supply of electricity to their tenants.

theres already legistlation saying people who are reselling energy (like your landlord) aren't allowed to profit. so if there is only one domestic supply (and only one rebate) then all four of you (inc the landlord as he uses the supply) should be paying one standing charge (a quarter each). 



thats why you dont (and arent supposed to) each get the 400 rebate. you have one domestic supply so one rebate and one standing charge. 

Thank you very much for your reply. It makes a bit more sense now.
I can see now that the legislation prohibiting landlords from profiteering has been in place since 2003!
This legislation has recently been regurgitated alongside government  info on the energy rebate. That's where I saw it.
So in theory I would be able to claim back from the landlord 3/4 of the standing charge I've paid for the last 6 years or so. My two neighbours have been here for longer than that.
I'll have a conflab with my neighbours. We can then decide the next course of action.
It's either stay quiet and keep the status quo, or approach Ofgem with our situation. The latter option having the risk of the landlord increasing the rent or worse..