PCN issued for parking in my own space

mr_gk99

Fruitcake said:

mr_gk99 said:

@Coupon-mad

Apologies I didn't mean not to mention the PPC. It is P. Eye. 

In that case you had better sell up and move out now before they cause property prices to drop.

Sorry i don't understand your comment

Fruitcake

ParkingEye are one of the most litigious unregulated private parking companies on the planet. Having any unregulated PPC, referred to as rogues, scammers, and bloodsuckers by UK MPs across all parties on site let alone ParkingEye will reduce the value of any property.
More and more people are being put off from buying or renting a property infested by a PPC.

PE will target anyone and everyone who passes their ANPR scameras.

Frying pan and inferno come to mind.

mr_gk99

Fruitcake said:

ParkingEye are one of the most litigious unregulated private parking companies on the planet. Having any unregulated PPC, referred to as rogues, scammers, and bloodsuckers by UK MPs across all parties on site let alone ParkingEye will reduce the value of any property.
More and more people are being put off from buying or renting a property infested by a PPC.

PE will target anyone and everyone who passes their ANPR scameras.

Frying pan and inferno come to mind.

I see. Thanks for letting us know.

Coupon-mad

Oh dear.  ANPR is completely and utterly not suited to a residential car park.

You won't even be able to have deliveries or visitors without them all getting PCNs in the post.  ParkingEye don't patrol on foot either, so how is this sledgehammer going to crack the little nut you want to address (the roadway)?

ANPR is just a PCN machine.

Drop the new contract before the signs go up.  Dear oh dear, what a nightmare.  P/Eye don't even normally do residential areas.  ANPR systems just issue fines to everyone, willy nilly, which is why it is unsuitable.

It is also blinking hard to get out of P/Eye contracts.  Sincerely hope no-one has been daft enough to sign it yet?

Fruitcake

Coupon-mad 

It is also blinking hard to get out of P/Eye contracts.  Sincerely hope no-one has been daft enough to sign it yet?

The OP should be pointed towards ParkingEye v Somerfield.

ParkingEye Limited v Somerfield Stores Limited - Property Litigation Association (pla.org.uk)

Somerfield claimed the contract was void for illegality because of the unlawful means ParkingEye used to collect some of the fines but the Judge disagreed and awarded ParkingEye damages of £350,000. 

mr_gk99

Coupon-mad said:

Oh dear.  ANPR is completely and utterly not suited to a residential car park.

You won't even be able to have deliveries or visitors without them all getting PCNs in the post.  ParkingEye don't patrol on foot either, so how is this sledgehammer going to crack the little nut you want to address (the roadway)?

ANPR is just a PCN machine.

Drop the new contract before the signs go up.  Dear oh dear, what a nightmare.  P/Eye don't even normally do residential areas.  ANPR systems just issue fines to everyone, willy nilly, which is why it is unsuitable.

It is also blinking hard to get out of P/Eye contracts.  Sincerely hope no-one has been daft enough to sign it yet?

No, nothing has been signed yet. We are awaiting the draft contract. Also, then contract is not foe ANPR. It is for manual patrol. 

mr_gk99

mr_gk99 said:

I just noticed in my lease there is a line that do say the below:

“ Provided Always That the Landlord or the Manager shall be permitted to create reasonable additional regulations in the interests of good estate management by notice in writing to the Tenant”

Will this go against me in my case? 

The directors at the residents association are on my side though. 

Not sure if you saw this question above. Any thoughts? 

Coupon-mad

It might go against you, yes.  

Your argument against that, is that this regime (the one you are fighting) operated outside the scope of what anyone would describe as 'good management' and was simply a moneymaking business preying on residents.  They even refused to cancel PCNs for the landowner.  They were sacked.

Re the foot patrol thing your estate managers want to sign, IMHO it isn't ParkingEye then.  It'll be another one stating with P, like Premier Park, or PPS.

Do NOT let them sign it.  You do not need a permit scheme.

The company (whoever it is) has the same motives as the one that was sacked.  Why are the Estate Managers repeating their error and expecting a different outcome?

You only need a few larger signs along the road and a couple of rising bollard posts you can get online for fifty quid..

No permits. Those are the moneymakers because the ticketers will catch anyone whose permit slipped, or who are fetching the permit, or if you have a courtesy car one day, and they'll go for all delivery drivers, taxis etc, plus all your visitors, postmen, gasmen, traders working at your home.  The lot.

Get rid of the PPC entirely and don't replace them. Harmony on the estate.

mr_gk99

Coupon-mad said:

It might go against you, yes.  

Your argument against that, is that this regime (the one you are fighting) operated outside the scope of what anyone would describe as 'good management' and was simply a moneymaking business preying on residents.  They even refused to cancel PCNs for the landowner.  They were sacked.

They refused to cancel for the Manager of the estate who is party to the lease. does it make any difference if they had rejected for Landowner?

an I guess you meant my argument that I should put in my defence statement when appearing in the court? right? 

thank you so much again for these valuable inputs

mr_gk99

Coupon-mad said:

Re the foot patrol thing your estate managers want to sign, IMHO it isn't ParkingEye then.  It'll be another one stating with P, like Premier Park, or PPS.

Do NOT let them sign it.  You do not need a oermit scheme.  The company (whoever it is) has the same motives as the one that was sacked.  Why are the Estate Managers repeating their error snd expecting a different outcome?

You only need a few larger signs along the road and a couple of rising bollard posts you can get online for fifty quid..

No permits. Those are the moneymakers because the ticketers will catch anyone whose permit slipped, or who are fetching the permit, or if you have a courtesy car one day, and they'll go for all delivery drivers, taxis etc, plus all your visitors, postmen, gasmen, traders working at your home.  The lot.

Get rid of the PPC entirely and don't replace them. Harmony on the estate.

Sure, these points are very valid. I will discuss with other directors. thank you.