Claim Form for Parking Charge, help!

Coupon-mad

We weren't asking you to look on websites.

Just Google Hartlepool Marina Byelaws and look through results and also look at the resulting images of maps (by narrowing your search to 'Images').

We can't do this for you, as we don't know where the car park is, exactly.

Can you also show us a Streetview link showing those 'clear signs'?

AffiaAngel

Ok I found this: https /www.pdports.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/PD-Teesport-Harbour-Byelaws-1977-1985.pdf 

The last page of the PDF shows a map and states "Limits of jurisdiction of authority edged blue" and comparing this to on Google Maps, the car park is within this. 


Here is the Streetview link: https /www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6929751,-1.1987664,3a,43.9y,229.07h,79.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syYt7Ifnd1GAAH7z08nc-Dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I really appreciate your help!

Coupon-mad

That's not a VCS sign.

When doing a virtual drive round, I see a sun-faded red VCS sign and no large mandatory 'P' entrance sign.  I see nothing to tell you that you are agreeing to pay £100, do you?

AffiaAngel

This is the only thing I found that may suggest I have to pay it? Or does the wording mean I get away with this? Also good point about the 'P' entrance sign! Thanks!!

 

Coupon-mad

That's the faded sign I already mentioned. It also makes no mention of the free parking period.

How long do their ANPR images say you were there?

Le_Kirk

Your link made live: -
https://www.pdports.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/PD-Teesport-Harbour-Byelaws-1977-1985.pdf
https /www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6929751,-1.1987664,3a,43.9y,229.07h,79.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syYt7Ifnd1GAAH7z08nc-Dw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
But your Google maps link is faulty, I got this: -
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.6926257,-1.1987038,3a,75y,197.46h,91.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sK8mJ88EzpgCYdLx7sQLG-A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

AffiaAngel

Coupon-mad said:

That's the faded sign I already mentioned. It also makes no mention of the free parking period.

How long do their ANPR images say you were there?

I need to find the original letter sent with that information. I have the rest of the letters except the first one. I'll try and find it and get back to you. Thanks

AffiaAngel

OK I found the letter. It says arrived at 13:28:06 and left at 14:27:53. 

I wish I appealed sooner... I'm sure they would have understood the extra half an hour due to a panic attack

paulstevens64

So, if the land is under byelaws, they can only attempt to charge the driver of the car. Please understand here, you are the "keeper" - that is what is says on your V5 document - it even says on this  V5 document that it  does not prove ownership of the vehicle.

You need to go back and amend all you posts to make sure you have not identified the driver (the use of I, me, we is generally a clue).

You then need to put your defence together based on the court defence template. You need to explain in your defence that the land is under byelaws, so POFA does not apply. Therefore the parking company cannot find you, (the keeper) liable for the charge. They can only charge the driver,  and they do not know who the driver is.

I hope this all makes sense.

AffiaAngel

paulstevens64 said:

So, if the land is under byelaws, they can only attempt to charge the driver of the car. Please understand here, you are the "keeper" - that is what is says on your V5 document - it even says on this  V5 document that it  does not prove ownership of the vehicle.

You need to go back and amend all you posts to make sure you have not identified the driver (the use of I, me, we is generally a clue).

You then need to put your defence together based on the court defence template. You need to explain in your defence that the land is under byelaws, so POFA does not apply. Therefore the parking company cannot find you, (the keeper) liable for the charge. They can only charge the driver,  and they do not know who the driver is.

I hope this all makes sense.

Oh I see! So because they cannot prove who was actually driving the car, they can't charge me? That's a great outcome. Thank you so much! 

It was starting to upset me that just because the driver didn't pay 50p for an hour parking, they could charge me £100, ridiculous.