Neighbour wants access for repairs after harassment

Bendy_House

billy2shots said:

You didn't need to call the roofer. 

You don't need to send a note.

If Insom had not called the roofer, then they'd likely only have the neighbour's highly-dubious assertion that access was needed.

I don't think Insom can be criticised here.

But, yes, it's turned out ok, and they should appreciate that devious folk are devious folk, end of. They shouldn't allowed to cross the line, but you also cannot change how they think.

diystarter7

OP, good luck.

Section62

m0bov said:

Section62 said:

DE_612183 said:

In this situation I think I'd refuse point blank - the neighbour will probably try to come round under the guise of 
2inspecting the work he's paying for" so it would be a no from me unless you get that agreement for him not to come onto your peoperty

The risk of refusing point blank is.

The OP is not refusing access

No, but that was what DE_612183 (and some other posters) were suggesting - hence my reply is to DE_612183.

billy2shots

Bendy_House said:

billy2shots said:

You didn't need to call the roofer. 

You don't need to send a note.

If Insom had not called the roofer, then they'd likely only have the neighbour's highly-dubious assertion that access was needed.

I don't think Insom can be criticised here.

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Nonsense, the OP had already eavesdropped and heard the following..



New update.

The roofer came to see my neighbour, I heard them talking, they were really loud and were standing by house, discussing how to put up scaffolding from my neighbours garden as I was being difficult. It's possible it just meant some of their plants, a shed would have to be moved and their window blocked.

I stand by what I said. There was no need to call the roofer. 

Bendy_House

billy2shots said:

Nonsense, the OP had already eavesdropped and heard the following..



New update.

The roofer came to see my neighbour, I heard them talking, they were really loud and were standing by house, discussing how to put up scaffolding from my neighbours garden as I was being difficult. It's possible it just meant some of their plants, a shed would have to be moved and their window blocked.

I stand by what I said. There was no need to call the roofer. 

You got me bang to rights.

Or, probably not.

All Insom had to go by was this overheard conversation. Meanwhile, it seems this neighb was still pressuring them to allow access, with threats of court action. And Insom could anticipate a repeat of this whole issue should the neighb's insurance company decide to choose a different roofer; "....as I know if they won't stop messaging me till I explain to them I know they have other access points, just in case they have to go with someone else, as they are still waiting for their insurance to decide. They will bombard me with letters threatening court action till I comply"

Even if there was no 'reason' for Insom to contact this roofer, I see no problem about Insom doing so - it was, after all, to explain they would allow access, but that there were issues with their neighbour that would need taking into account - all good and perfectly reasonable, no?

There certainly is a problem with the neighbour's manner and honesty. And a roofer with better life skills would have been able to negotiate the situation without causing additional friction or having a huffy.

billy2shots

Bendy_House said:

billy2shots said:

Nonsense, the OP had already eavesdropped and heard the following..



New update.

The roofer came to see my neighbour, I heard them talking, they were really loud and were standing by house, discussing how to put up scaffolding from my neighbours garden as I was being difficult. It's possible it just meant some of their plants, a shed would have to be moved and their window blocked.

I stand by what I said. There was no need to call the roofer. 

You got me bang to rights.

Or, probably not.

All Insom had to go by was this overheard conversation. Meanwhile, it seems this neighb was still pressuring them to allow access, with threats of court action. And Insom could anticipate a repeat of this whole issue should the neighb's insurance company decide to choose a different roofer; "....as I know if they won't stop messaging me till I explain to them I know they have other access points, just in case they have to go with someone else, as they are still waiting for their insurance to decide. They will bombard me with letters threatening court action till I comply"

Even if there was no 'reason' for Insom to contact this roofer, I see no problem about Insom doing so - it was, after all, to explain they would allow access, but that there were issues with their neighbour that would need taking into account - all good and perfectly reasonable, no?

There certainly is a problem with the neighbour's manner and honesty. And a roofer with better life skills would have been able to negotiate the situation without causing additional friction or having a huffy.

I can see you are heavily invested in this thread but it's ok to take a step back when new information comes to light. 


You have made up your own series of events. 

All Insom had to go by was this overheard conversation. Meanwhile, it seems this neighb was still pressuring them to allow access, with threats of court action.

Since the roofer told the neighbor he doesn't need access to the OPs land , they haven't pressured the OP or threatened court action, you have made that up as far as I can see. 

From what I am reading, since the roofer told the neighbor they can do it all from their garden, there has been no further development APART from the OP calling the roofer, and wanting to send more notes to the neighbor. 

The OP should now relax unless/until anything else develops, not poke the wasp nest further. 

Section62

Bendy_House said:

There certainly is a problem with the neighbour's manner and honesty. And a roofer with better life skills would have been able to negotiate the situation without causing additional friction or having a huffy.

It isn't fair for you to start having a go at the roofer.  It now transpires they don't actually have the job, they are just at the quotation/planning stage.

In the circumstances it is totally understandable why the roofer doesn't want to get drawn into a protracted discussion with the OP about a job they may/may not do for a client who isn't the OP.  Them wanting to terminate the call quickly says absolutely nothing about their "life skills".

Bendy_House

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

There certainly is a problem with the neighbour's manner and honesty. And a roofer with better life skills would have been able to negotiate the situation without causing additional friction or having a huffy.

It isn't fair for you to start having a go at the roofer.  It now transpires they don't actually have the job, they are just at the quotation/planning stage.

In the circumstances it is totally understandable why the roofer doesn't want to get drawn into a protracted discussion with the OP about a job they may/may not do for a client who isn't the OP.  Them wanting to terminate the call quickly says absolutely nothing about their "life skills".

Hardly a 'go', S62.

If more folk were blessed with the ability to have a rational conversation, then more misunderstandings should be avoided.

If you realise you are talking to a knucklehead, then that's useful info too.

Bendy_House

billy2shots said:

Bendy_House said:

I can see you are heavily invested in this thread but it's ok to take a step back when new information comes to light. 

You can cut the patronising out if you like - it reflects more on you.

But, fair do's for the rest of it - I very likely got the sequence out of kilter.

Now't wrong with 'talking', tho'.

Section62

Bendy_House said:

Section62 said:

Bendy_House said:

There certainly is a problem with the neighbour's manner and honesty. And a roofer with better life skills would have been able to negotiate the situation without causing additional friction or having a huffy.

It isn't fair for you to start having a go at the roofer.  It now transpires they don't actually have the job, they are just at the quotation/planning stage.

In the circumstances it is totally understandable why the roofer doesn't want to get drawn into a protracted discussion with the OP about a job they may/may not do for a client who isn't the OP.  Them wanting to terminate the call quickly says absolutely nothing about their "life skills".

Hardly a 'go', S62.

If more folk were blessed with the ability to have a rational conversation, then more misunderstandings should be avoided.

If you realise you are talking to a knucklehead, then that's useful info too.

If you accused another forum member of "having a huffy" or needing " better life skills" I'd anticipate that would be treated as a breach of the forum rules.  It isn't necessary to talk about other people like that, especially when they aren't here (as far as we know) to put their side of the story.  The OP has made it clear themselves that the roofer is not to blame here.

I agree with you about more folk being blessed etc... but would say that goes further and should include not making judgements about other people (particularly in relation to mental health or social disorders) without knowing how the scenario looks from their point of view.  'Understanding' is a two-way process.