Mail online article about how the rolling blackouts will be planned and implemented.

Chrysalis

SAC2334 said:

wittynamegoeshere said:

The "S" in the big box is always an S.  I think it's just means Supply or Super or Sunak or Something.

My bill from GEUK has the box with an S but nothing else.  So some suppliers don't include the area letter on their bills.

My bill from my previous supply Eon Next has the same S in the big box, but also has a line stating "Postcode area alpha identifier: H".

It doesn't really matter anyway, everyone gets treated equally badly when there are blackouts.  I don't think there's a VIP code for MPs and Royals, but they wouldn't tell us if there was anyway.

Not quite equally as H is getting 4 x three hour blackouts a week when J and T are getting 2 .

Personally I don t think we will get any as many  are making cutbacks . I certainly am 

We were more likely to get none if a campaign was authorised, hopefully the new PM see's sense.

doodling

Hi,

As I've said elsewhere, there are two scenarios which might require a reduction in load on the grid and it is likely that the approach taken to them will be different:

1. Gas shortage.  This is likely to persist for several days and it is likely that the rota disconnection process published in the ESEC would be followed with disconnections around the clock.  I don't expect a gas shortage in the UK.
2. Inability to supply peak demand due to low wind conditions and lack of availability of electricity from the continent.  The problem might persist for a week or more but the issue would only be at peak time.  In this case, I would expect the rota disconnection schedule to be modified to only operate at peak times and in order to be "fair" an entirely new schedule would need to be produced using the existing disconnection blocks.

The second is the more likely scenario in my view although it should be emphasised that it is by no means a certainty.  A whole range of factors will determine whether the second scenario happens notably wind conditions, ambient temperature, the ability of the French to fix their defective nuclear power stations, how much it rains / snows in Norway, whether other European countries are short on electricity supply and our commercial and political relationships with Europe (mainly France).  Much of National Grid's outlook assumes that European suppliers of electricity will honour their commitments to us but I cannot, for example, see a French president making some of their citizens sit in the dark so that they can honour a contractual obligation to supply electricity to the UK.

There are several unknowns, notably how the public would react to rota disconnections.  In the second scenario, if the disconnections lead to a peak in demand just outside the time when disconnections are due to take place then the duration of the disconnections would need to be extended to squash that peak.

I would expect a fairly aggressive disconnection schedule initially until National Grid got a good handle on everyone's behaviour.  The consequences of too little planned disconnection (losing control of the grid leading to unexpected and uncontrolled power interruptions) are far more severe than the consequences of too much planned disconnection (more people live without electricity for a few hours).

Chrysalis

ariarnia said:

Chrysalis said:

Appreciate the explanation, but I think the decisions made were flawed.

Its far better I think to spread them out over the week instead of clustered together, and you never explained why some have 6 hour outages and others have 12.

theres probably some weighting for how likely the blackouts are actually to happen? so someone with 6 might have them at what are normally higher demand times so more likely than the ones at 12 when who is going to draw a lot of power before 6am at the weekend? if thats our block we wouldn't even notice as wed likely still be asleep

Thats how I would have done it, hence my points suggestion.

Ironically it seems to be the opposite e.g. both 2 slotters have a midnight slot.
The 3rd premium group has 3 not 4 slots, with 2 of the slots been midnight.

Sadly it seems we will never know as sparky has replied it was before his time.

ariarnia

Chrysalis said:

ariarnia said:

i think they planned out the hole thing because theres a good chance people will move the peak. sparky i think said that they will look at the demand the day before to see how it matches the supply and that doesn't mean all of the blocks will have a cut in a day so it might only be the peak evening periods (or we might have none at all)

I said the same, logically the peak slots are more likely to get cuts, hence the scoring system I made factors that in as well.

If you got midnight to 6am slots you laughing.  

Also the unevenness of the slot allocation is apparently not controversial even though it might be the same blocks bearing the cuts every week.

i thought you scored based on how the cuts would be for the person if they happened (you scored weekends high because people are more likly to be home at the weekend so inconvenienced) i'm talking about the chance of the cuts happening. at some of the times you scored really highly its unlikely that businesses would be using a lot of energy maybe (because this isn't only domestic its the hole area and businesses use a lot more energy than people do). so less chance of a cut even if a cut at that time would be more of a pain.

plus i dont understand why you put weekends first thing in the morning so high. the chances of me being up and wanting to do anything before 7am on the weekend when its cold and dark out are tiny! I hibernate in winter

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ariarnia said:

Chrysalis said:

ariarnia said:

i think they planned out the hole thing because theres a good chance people will move the peak. sparky i think said that they will look at the demand the day before to see how it matches the supply and that doesn't mean all of the blocks will have a cut in a day so it might only be the peak evening periods (or we might have none at all)

I said the same, logically the peak slots are more likely to get cuts, hence the scoring system I made factors that in as well.

If you got midnight to 6am slots you laughing.  

Also the unevenness of the slot allocation is apparently not controversial even though it might be the same blocks bearing the cuts every week.

i thought you scored based on how the cuts would be for the person if they happened (you scored weekends high because people are more likly to be home at the weekend so inconvenienced) i'm talking about the chance of the cuts happening. at some of the times you scored really highly its unlikely that businesses would be using a lot of energy maybe (because this isn't only domestic its the hole area and businesses use a lot more energy than people do). so less chance of a cut even if a cut at that time would be more of a pain.

plus i dont understand why you put weekends first thing in the morning so high. the chances of me being up and wanting to do anything before 7am on the weekend when its cold and dark out are tiny! I hibernate in winter

Storage heaters perhaps - for people with electric heating the E7 periods are massively important.

ariarnia

[Deleted User] said:

ariarnia said:

Chrysalis said:

ariarnia said:

i think they planned out the hole thing because theres a good chance people will move the peak. sparky i think said that they will look at the demand the day before to see how it matches the supply and that doesn't mean all of the blocks will have a cut in a day so it might only be the peak evening periods (or we might have none at all)

I said the same, logically the peak slots are more likely to get cuts, hence the scoring system I made factors that in as well.

If you got midnight to 6am slots you laughing.  

Also the unevenness of the slot allocation is apparently not controversial even though it might be the same blocks bearing the cuts every week.

i thought you scored based on how the cuts would be for the person if they happened (you scored weekends high because people are more likly to be home at the weekend so inconvenienced) i'm talking about the chance of the cuts happening. at some of the times you scored really highly its unlikely that businesses would be using a lot of energy maybe (because this isn't only domestic its the hole area and businesses use a lot more energy than people do). so less chance of a cut even if a cut at that time would be more of a pain.

plus i dont understand why you put weekends first thing in the morning so high. the chances of me being up and wanting to do anything before 7am on the weekend when its cold and dark out are tiny! I hibernate in winter

Storage heaters perhaps - for people with electric heating the E7 periods are massively important.

wouldn't they have charged overnight? e7 means 7 hours not 3 so still 4 hours to charge earlier in the night. 

[Deleted User]

ariarnia said:

[Deleted User] said:

ariarnia said:

Chrysalis said:

ariarnia said:

i think they planned out the hole thing because theres a good chance people will move the peak. sparky i think said that they will look at the demand the day before to see how it matches the supply and that doesn't mean all of the blocks will have a cut in a day so it might only be the peak evening periods (or we might have none at all)

I said the same, logically the peak slots are more likely to get cuts, hence the scoring system I made factors that in as well.

If you got midnight to 6am slots you laughing.  

Also the unevenness of the slot allocation is apparently not controversial even though it might be the same blocks bearing the cuts every week.

i thought you scored based on how the cuts would be for the person if they happened (you scored weekends high because people are more likly to be home at the weekend so inconvenienced) i'm talking about the chance of the cuts happening. at some of the times you scored really highly its unlikely that businesses would be using a lot of energy maybe (because this isn't only domestic its the hole area and businesses use a lot more energy than people do). so less chance of a cut even if a cut at that time would be more of a pain.

plus i dont understand why you put weekends first thing in the morning so high. the chances of me being up and wanting to do anything before 7am on the weekend when its cold and dark out are tiny! I hibernate in winter

Storage heaters perhaps - for people with electric heating the E7 periods are massively important.

wouldn't they have charged overnight? e7 means 7 hours not 3 so still 4 hours to charge earlier in the night. 

I don't have them (and never have), so maybe others who do can advise, but I would guess that at least some installations would need the whole seven hours to charge up enough?

ariarnia

[Deleted User] said:

ariarnia said:

[Deleted User] said:

ariarnia said:

Chrysalis said:

ariarnia said:

i think they planned out the hole thing because theres a good chance people will move the peak. sparky i think said that they will look at the demand the day before to see how it matches the supply and that doesn't mean all of the blocks will have a cut in a day so it might only be the peak evening periods (or we might have none at all)

I said the same, logically the peak slots are more likely to get cuts, hence the scoring system I made factors that in as well.

If you got midnight to 6am slots you laughing.  

Also the unevenness of the slot allocation is apparently not controversial even though it might be the same blocks bearing the cuts every week.

i thought you scored based on how the cuts would be for the person if they happened (you scored weekends high because people are more likly to be home at the weekend so inconvenienced) i'm talking about the chance of the cuts happening. at some of the times you scored really highly its unlikely that businesses would be using a lot of energy maybe (because this isn't only domestic its the hole area and businesses use a lot more energy than people do). so less chance of a cut even if a cut at that time would be more of a pain.

plus i dont understand why you put weekends first thing in the morning so high. the chances of me being up and wanting to do anything before 7am on the weekend when its cold and dark out are tiny! I hibernate in winter

Storage heaters perhaps - for people with electric heating the E7 periods are massively important.

wouldn't they have charged overnight? e7 means 7 hours not 3 so still 4 hours to charge earlier in the night. 

I don't have them (and never have), so maybe others who do can advise, but I would guess that at least some installations would need the whole seven hours to charge up enough?

i did a very long time ago but they were turned off at the wall so i'm not help i was in a bedsit at the time and it was actually cheaper to have a 2kw radiator on a thermostat in the room than to use them because i was out working all day and by the time i needed th heat they were stone cold. but i think from reading some posts on here the new ones are a lot better at keeping the heat in until needed. 

a lot of this will really depend on how cold winter actually is here and in europe and how people and businesses respond to the plans. 

deano2099

Tigsteroonie said:

P not only get four blackouts in the initial programme, two of them are on Sunday! 12:30 to 15:30 then 18:30 to 21:30.

And people still want to argue that the distribution is fair?

Where is location J, i want to move there ...

The Sunday ones are extremely unlikely to happen though as far less commercial consumption on those days. Those and the overnight ones are the "safest" slots.

ariarnia

i had to go a bit around the houses to find ours but just got it. ovo arent putting on the bills yet. maybe from next month i don't know.

someone on their forum suggested i contact the DNO which you can find here https://www.energynetworks.org/customers/find-my-network-operator 

quick email to there customer services and SP energy network is apparently ours and they got back to me to confirm we are in block u.