EV charging tariffs

bristolleedsfan

tripled said:

There are variations by region, I've just gone across to the EV driver tariff, for me it's 30.302p peak rate but a lower standing charge of 45.21p. Off-peak is the same at 9.4p/kWh.

The big win over Octopus Go for those with PV is the 15p export rate, plus the night window is 5 hours instead of 4, handy if you've done a long journey and the car battery is low. British Gas service and their app/website aren't anywhere near as good as Octopus though.

Eon Next export rate is 16.5p plus charging night window 12-7am, peak rate slightly more expensive.

https://www.eonnext.com/electricity-and-gas/smart-export-guarantee

Alnat1

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

tripled

bristolleedsfan said:

tripled said:

There are variations by region, I've just gone across to the EV driver tariff, for me it's 30.302p peak rate but a lower standing charge of 45.21p. Off-peak is the same at 9.4p/kWh.

The big win over Octopus Go for those with PV is the 15p export rate, plus the night window is 5 hours instead of 4, handy if you've done a long journey and the car battery is low. British Gas service and their app/website aren't anywhere near as good as Octopus though.

Eon Next export rate is 16.5p plus charging night window 12-7am, peak rate slightly more expensive.

https://www.eonnext.com/electricity-and-gas/smart-export-guarantee

Standing charge is also 4p/day higher for me. Probably not much in it over the winter, could be worth a look come spring!

It's a shame Octopus don't allow Go or Intelligent customers on the 15p rate, they are a good supplier, but it makes them very uncompetitive for those with a PV system and an EV.

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

MattMattMattUK

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

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MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

FWiW, I think that Go’s days are numbered. Go Faster was pulled earlier this year and Octopus’ focus now seems to be on intelligent tariffs. EVSEs such as Zappi2 are now trialling IO controlled charging.

MattMattMattUK

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MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

FWiW, I think that Go’s days are numbered. Go Faster was pulled earlier this year and Octopus’ focus now seems to be on intelligent tariffs. EVSEs such as Zappi2 are now trialling IO controlled charging.

Intelligent would be fine for me, the six overnight window plus "as and when" charging if plugged in, but the main benefit would be the getting all the higher usage stuff in the six hour window, I worked out it would save me around 25-40% off of my bill depending on how good I am at moving as much as I can to that window, which whilst not significant would be another bonus attached to getting the EV. 

tripled

MattMattMattUK said:

[Deleted User] said:

MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

FWiW, I think that Go’s days are numbered. Go Faster was pulled earlier this year and Octopus’ focus now seems to be on intelligent tariffs. EVSEs such as Zappi2 are now trialling IO controlled charging.

Intelligent would be fine for me, the six overnight window plus "as and when" charging if plugged in, but the main benefit would be the getting all the higher usage stuff in the six hour window, I worked out it would save me around 25-40% off of my bill depending on how good I am at moving as much as I can to that window, which whilst not significant would be another bonus attached to getting the EV. 

You won't get Intelligent without an EV because Octopus communicates with your EV charger or car. You might get away with Go.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dolor was right. Cheap EV tariffs are all good while they are still nascent, however as the number of EVs plugging in the same fixed time window at night increases, in the end, demand will inevitably push up prices. The future is Intelligent tariffs to help stagger and manage demand, matching it to surplus generation as far as possible.

MattMattMattUK

tripled said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Dolor said:

MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

FWiW, I think that Go’s days are numbered. Go Faster was pulled earlier this year and Octopus’ focus now seems to be on intelligent tariffs. EVSEs such as Zappi2 are now trialling IO controlled charging.

Intelligent would be fine for me, the six overnight window plus "as and when" charging if plugged in, but the main benefit would be the getting all the higher usage stuff in the six hour window, I worked out it would save me around 25-40% off of my bill depending on how good I am at moving as much as I can to that window, which whilst not significant would be another bonus attached to getting the EV. 

You won't get Intelligent without an EV because Octopus communicates with your EV charger or car. You might get away with Go.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dolor was right. Cheap EV tariffs are all good while they are still nascent, however as the number of EVs plugging in the same fixed time window at night increases, in the end, demand will inevitably push up prices. The future is Intelligent tariffs to help stagger and manage demand, matching it to surplus generation as far as possible.

I will only go for Intelligent once I have the EV, but the main issue is that I will rarely charge at home as I will be going for a Model 3LR and have the option to charge at work for free so my need to charge it at home will be rare as even 7.5p per kWh will be more expensive that free, I am just wondering if only charging at home once or twice a month will throw up an issue with Octopus. 

Spoonie_Turtle

MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Dolor said:

MattMattMattUK said:

tripled said:

Alnat1 said:

Do you have to prove you have an EV for either of those tariffs?

I haven't been asked for proof yet, not by Octopus nor by BG. I suspect EV charging would have a fairly obvious use profile and an automated process could pick out suspect accounts to follow up and ask for proof, although whether or not that's actually done by any of the suppliers I don't know.

I am somewhat interested in this part. I live in an all electric flat, a significant chunk of my usage could be in the night window with water heating and using the washing machine and dishwasher (myself and the neighbours have already tested and they cannot hear either of them running, so it would be fine to run overnight) and the added benefit of the Octopus EV charging tariffs is that they do not increase the day rate as on E7 which makes them much more attractive. I am planning on getting an EV next year, but I will only very rarely need to charge at home.

FWiW, I think that Go’s days are numbered. Go Faster was pulled earlier this year and Octopus’ focus now seems to be on intelligent tariffs. EVSEs such as Zappi2 are now trialling IO controlled charging.

Intelligent would be fine for me, the six overnight window plus "as and when" charging if plugged in, but the main benefit would be the getting all the higher usage stuff in the six hour window, I worked out it would save me around 25-40% off of my bill depending on how good I am at moving as much as I can to that window, which whilst not significant would be another bonus attached to getting the EV. 

You won't get Intelligent without an EV because Octopus communicates with your EV charger or car. You might get away with Go.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dolor was right. Cheap EV tariffs are all good while they are still nascent, however as the number of EVs plugging in the same fixed time window at night increases, in the end, demand will inevitably push up prices. The future is Intelligent tariffs to help stagger and manage demand, matching it to surplus generation as far as possible.

… I am just wondering if only charging at home once or twice a month will throw up an issue with Octopus. 

To be allowed onto IO you need to have a compatible charger, and should they ask for further proof for any reason you'll be able to supply them with confirmation that you own or lease the EV anyway. 

You'll have to check the T&Cs but I sincerely doubt there'd be a clause about minimum amounts of charging.

born_again

Switching to IO once Ohme charger fitted next week.
2 EV's now, but even then looking at mileage at moment one will need charging once every 2 weeks & other even less.
Given running down to 10% & charging to 80%