11,000 kw pa - Help with Electric Usage Audit

badger09

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when in Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can damage them?

Sea_Shell

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

k_man

Sea_Shell said:

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

The potential pixel burn in damage (albeit much rarer now) is caused when the screen is on.
The screen maintenance runs every so many hours of use, but only when the TV is not in use (on standby).

If the TV is powered off when not used then these maintenance cycles are missed.

[Deleted User]

Sea_Shell said:

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

It's an odd one - but effectively the transistors driving each pixel don't go completely back to zero voltage when the screen is turned off.  Doesn't matter a huge amount once or twice, but over time this causes drift in the zero point and you can end up with a ghost image.

To rectify it, the TV checks the voltage at each pixel and sets them right.  Takes about ten minutes to do, so should really be safe to turn off at the mains fifteen minutes after putting the TV on standby.  You won't find any manufacturer telling you that its safe to do that though, just in case the procedure is delayed or takes longer than expected.

That's what will happen post-manufacture.  A factory test of the TV, followed by running this refresh process, and then its safe for long term storage.

Miser1964

Buy red wine, then you won't need the wine cooler running. Simples!

k_man

[Deleted User] said:

Sea_Shell said:

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

It's an odd one - but effectively the transistors driving each pixel don't go completely back to zero voltage when the screen is turned off.  Doesn't matter a huge amount once or twice, but over time this causes drift in the zero point and you can end up with a ghost image.

To rectify it, the TV checks the voltage at each pixel and sets them right.  Takes about ten minutes to do, so should really be safe to turn off at the mains fifteen minutes after putting the TV on standby.  You won't find any manufacturer telling you that its safe to do that though, just in case the procedure is delayed or takes longer than expected.

That's what will happen post-manufacture.  A factory test of the TV, followed by running this refresh process, and then its safe for long term storage.

On some TVs the quick cycle is like this (20 mins or so), but there is also a full cycle that takes 1 - 2 hours every 1000 hours of usage.
It is advised not to stop this one part way through.

dunstonh

All OLEDs suffer the same issue.  its a "feature" of OLEDs.     When you turn the tv off (into standby) in most cases you will hear a click after about a minute.  Sometimes quicker.  Sometimes longer. And then the big refreshes take longer.

If you turn off the mobile devices option on the TV (i.e. turn off the ability to control the TV with a mobile device) then the standby use barely registers.

Coffeekup

k_man said:

Sea_Shell said:

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

The potential pixel burn in damage (albeit much rarer now) is caused when the screen is on.
The screen maintenance runs every so many hours of use, but only when the TV is not in use (on standby).

If the TV is powered off when not used then these maintenance cycles are missed.

I used to have pixel burnout a couple of years ago eom rip of screen, thought maybe it was time for a new TV 18 months ago. When I started to turn tv off at the wall I've not seen it since the picture has been perfect since.

MuckChucker

Coffeekup said:

k_man said:

Sea_Shell said:

badger09 said:

Noble1001 said:

dunstonh said:

Well done on the spreadsheet and your monitoring to date.    Here are a couple of pointers we did which could apply to you.

I put my sky mini-boxes and soundbar onto tapo plugs.   And turn them off with that so they don't stay and standby.   All but one of the TVs are OLED.  So, I cant turn those off but standby uses virtually nothing.  The other TV is LED and is turned off with the sky mini via a tapo.   The main sky box remains in standby as you need the recording ability.

PC and all the associated hardware plugged into a tapo.  

Router - main one stays on but satellite routers (mesh network) plugged into tapo and turned off when not in use.

LED lights.     Most of the cheap Chinese ones via amazon were replaced with Philips ones which had greater luminance at a lower wattage.  i.e. the Phillips 2.2w LEDs output more light than the Chinese 4 & 6 watt LEDs (and the frosted Phillips version hides the horrible yellow strips and gives a nicer light)

Dishwasher - initially used the eco mode on our old machine. It extended the time but it used a lot less energy.  But we bought a new dishwasher that took the savings even further.
Replaced American F/F with the most energy efficient American F/F on the market today.     Your F/F is not too bad if its an American F/F but if its a smaller, that may be something to consider.  Your garage freezer seems heavy.

Replacing (still in progress) fluorescent tubes in the stable block and other barns with LED tubes.
Reduced outside lighting and changed to LED.

 

Thanks so much for taking the time out to list all your learnings and actions. I’ll wade thru and see what would fit. We have Alexa plugs and looks like I’ll be ordering more. Re the TV…can you clarify why you think you can’t turn your OLED TV off standby? I have my OLED on an Alexa plug? Cheers

There’s a recent post somewhere, but basically when I’m Standby mode OLED TVs do something called Pixel Refresh. Turning off at mains can cause pixel burnout

How does that work?

How do you get pixel burnout on a blank fully turned off screen?.   What about when they're on the shelf post manufacture?

The potential pixel burn in damage (albeit much rarer now) is caused when the screen is on.
The screen maintenance runs every so many hours of use, but only when the TV is not in use (on standby).

If the TV is powered off when not used then these maintenance cycles are missed.

I used to have pixel burnout a couple of years ago eom rip of screen, thought maybe it was time for a new TV 18 months ago. When I started to turn tv off at the wall I've not seen it since the picture has been perfect since.

If its an OLED TV, you will eventually get uneven pixel wear (burn in) if the panel is not allowed to perform its refreshes - you'll eventually get it regardless,  its inherent to the tech, the rereshes just extend the life. Its in the manual to leave in standby when not in use and it'll invalidate your warranty by powering off completely (although consumer rights advocates like me would highlight this means nothing in regards to your actual consumer rights). On pre 2018 models, when they started loading these features in, it seems that around the 3 year mark was when problems become apparent.

Anyway, sorry to add to the chat divergence OP. 

Sea_Shell

Thanks for the explanations.

So it's similar to running a diesel car for long enough for the DPF to regen 😉