Calorific Value

Gerry1

npgarwood said:

Just discovered that the calorific value changes regularly! So even when they say your tariff rate is going to be fixed, it really isn't because of the variable rate of the calorific value that they use to work out how you pay for your gas. Another way for them to take more money from us! A bit like the standing charge! Why is this allowed? We all have the same sort of meter. Why can't the tariff be based on that, so there would be a clear cost for each unit used on the meter.

Wrong.

If you had looked at your bill you'd have seen that:-

* you are billed for the kWh used; and

* the average calorific value (rounded down to 1 decimal place) is used to calculate the kWh usage.

matt_drummer

npgarwood said:

Just discovered that the calorific value changes regularly! So even when they say your tariff rate is going to be fixed, it really isn't because of the variable rate of the calorific value that they use to work out how you pay for your gas. Another way for them to take more money from us! A bit like the standing charge! Why is this allowed? We all have the same sort of meter. Why can't the tariff be based on that, so there would be a clear cost for each unit used on the meter.

No.

If the calorific value is higher you will use a lower volume for the same amount of energy. produced.

You are charged for energy and if the calorific value is higher your appliances will use a lower volume to consume the same amount of energy than at a lower calorific value.

Your bills will be the same., your rate per unit of energy (kWh) is the same as quoted on your tariff.

Why do these questions or comments always start from the assumption of being taken advantage of or ripped off in some way?

The energy sector is really heavily regulated, all they want to do is charge you for your consumption, nothing more, nothing less.

QrizB

npgarwood said:

Just discovered that the calorific value changes regularly! So even when they say your tariff rate is going to be fixed, it really isn't ...

Yes, it really is.

npgarwood said:

... because of the variable rate of the calorific value that they use to work out how you pay for your gas.

But your tariff isn't priced per cubic metre, it's priced per kWh. Sometimes a cubic metre of gas contains a greater number of kWh, sometimes it contains fewer. That's where the calorific value comes in.

npgarwood said:

A bit like the standing charge!

That's been debated to death.

npgarwood said:

We all have the same sort of meter.

That's not correct. Some meters are smart, some are electronic, some are mechanical. Some even measure cubic feet not cubic metres.

npgarwood said:

Why can't the tariff be based on that, so there would be a clear cost for each unit used on the meter.

See my previous comment re. "cubic feet vs cubic metres".

If you'd rather have gas tariffs based on cubic metres, will you be happy paying more when the calorific value falls?

[Deleted User]

I am surprised that the poster hasn’t mentioned the even bigger scam which is called voltage. In the UK, the declared voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts.

Why should consumers only getting 216.2 volts pay the same as those getting 253 volts?   

matt_drummer

[Deleted User] said:

I am surprised that the poster hasn’t mentioned the even bigger scam which is called voltage. In the UK, the declared voltage and tolerance for an electricity supply is 230 volts -6%, +10%. This gives an allowed voltage range of 216.2 volts to 253.0 volts.

Why should consumers only getting 216.2 volts pay the same as those getting 253 volts?   

They do pay the same don't they, and why shouldn't they?

We are charged for kWh consumed.

If the voltage varies then so does the current to match the load.

The voltage makes no difference to the energy consumed, why would there be ay difference in the price charged?

Or have I missed your point?

[Deleted User]

Check the smiley.

matt_drummer

[Deleted User] said:

Check the smiley.

I don't think the intended audience will get it.

It might be funny but surely it will only lead to more confusion and misunderstanding?

You are already replying to people on a thread who just don't understand, I don't think it's helpful.

In the nicest possible way

PennineAcute

matt_drummer said:

[Deleted User] said:

Check the smiley.

I don't think the intended audience will get it.

It might be funny but surely it will only lead to more confusion and misunderstanding?

You are already replying to people on a thread who just don't understand, I don't think it's helpful.

In the nicest possible way

It was quite amusing.  It made me smile as much as another post on here questioning the link between CV and price per unit.

matt_drummer

PennineAcute said:

matt_drummer said:

I don't think the intended audience will get it.

It might be funny but surely it will only lead to more confusion and misunderstanding?

You are already replying to people on a thread who just don't understand, I don't think it's helpful.

In the nicest possible way

It was quite amusing.  It made me smile as much as another post on here questioning the link between CV and price per unit.

Me too, but I understand.

It was written in such a way, a convincing way, that some people may actually believe they are being cheated with `substandard' electricity.

When they already don't understand how the energy their gas contains is charged this convincing joke was enough to push them over the edge!

ArbitraryRandom

matt_drummer said:

When they already don't understand how the energy their gas contains is charged this convincing joke was enough to push them over the edge!

Why did you have to go and bring flat earthers into it