£400 energy grant -eligibility

throughtheblue

Me and my partner are due to move at the end of September. We will be renting a small studio cottage, where the electricity comes in from our landlords house opposite. There is a separate electricity meter for our studio, but there is only one account which is the landlord. 

We will take our meter readings each month, and then work out the energy cost that we owe to our landlord. But I can't see how we will be eligible for the £400 grant, if we don't even have our own account.

Astria

Correct, the landlord will get the £400 energy grant, maybe they'll share it with you?

gj373

You won't be I don't think. However I don't think the landlord is allowed to profit from the electricity you use so they should be sharing the £400 with you.

MWT

gj373 said:

You won't be I don't think. However I don't think the landlord is allowed to profit from the electricity you use so they should be sharing the £400 with you.

The way the rules covering resale are written, and the way the £400 is being delivered mean that the landlord has no obligation to share the £400.

... let's wait a bit longer though for the announcements today to see if there is still £400 to be argued over anyway...

throughtheblue

I thought it was £400 per household? We will be in a completely separate house, with our own council tax. 
I didn't know if they could advocate for us, to say that we are a separate household, so we get £400 each. 
They will continue paying the standing charge, so that’s a small help, but wouldn’t come to the grant total. 

CrispyChris

throughtheblue said:

I thought it was £400 per household? We will be in a completely separate house, with our own council tax. 
I didn't know if they could advocate for us, to say that we are a separate household, so we get £400 each. 
They will continue paying the standing charge, so that’s a small help, but wouldn’t come to the grant total. 

No it's per domestic electricity account so if you're not billed direct you won't get it aromatically

MWT

So... the £400 plan is still happening and additionally this has also been said...

...the government will set up a fund for those using heating oil, living in park homes or those on heat networks so that all UK consumers can benefit from “equivalent support”.

So the £400 will go to the landlord, but there may be help for those like you who do not have an energy account, but I have to say you are not in a clearly identifiable group so watch carefully to see if there is something you may need to register for...

If the rest of the plan is delivered as a discount to the unit price as stated, then the landlord can only charge you the discounted price, as long as that is being received, which may not be the case if the landlord is on a fixed tariff...

The Government hopes that there may also be discounts to the fixed tariffs after further discussion with suppliers...

throughtheblue

MWT said:

So... the £400 plan is still happening and additionally this has also been said...

...the government will set up a fund for those using heating oil, living in park homes or those on heat networks so that all UK consumers can benefit from “equivalent support”.

So the £400 will go to the landlord, but there may be help for those like you who do not have an energy account, but I have to say you are not in a clearly identifiable group so watch carefully to see if there is something you may need to register for...

If the rest of the plan is delivered as a discount to the unit price as stated, then the landlord can only charge you the discounted price, as long as that is being received, which may not be the case if the landlord is on a fixed tariff...

The Government hopes that there may also be discounts to the fixed tariffs after further discussion with suppliers...

Found this on the gov's website...
"If you pay for your electricity as part of your rent -

If your landlord has a domestic electricity contract with a licensed electricity supplier, and you pay for your electricity as part of your rent, your landlord may pass their discount on to you."

That reads like we won't be able to claim our own £400 grant and can only hope the landlord shares £200. Doesn't really seem like a fair scheme, where everyone and anyone regardless of circumstance will get £400 grant, but because we don't have a separate electricity account we won't be entitled. I wonder if their will be a phone line for these issues.

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throughtheblue said:

MWT said:

So... the £400 plan is still happening and additionally this has also been said...

...the government will set up a fund for those using heating oil, living in park homes or those on heat networks so that all UK consumers can benefit from “equivalent support”.

So the £400 will go to the landlord, but there may be help for those like you who do not have an energy account, but I have to say you are not in a clearly identifiable group so watch carefully to see if there is something you may need to register for...

If the rest of the plan is delivered as a discount to the unit price as stated, then the landlord can only charge you the discounted price, as long as that is being received, which may not be the case if the landlord is on a fixed tariff...

The Government hopes that there may also be discounts to the fixed tariffs after further discussion with suppliers...

Found this on the gov's website...
"If you pay for your electricity as part of your rent -

If your landlord has a domestic electricity contract with a licensed electricity supplier, and you pay for your electricity as part of your rent, your landlord may pass their discount on to you."

That reads like we won't be able to claim our own £400 grant and can only hope the landlord shares £200. Doesn't really seem like a fair scheme, where everyone and anyone regardless of circumstance will get £400 grant, but because we don't have a separate electricity account we won't be entitled. I wonder if their will be a phone line for these issues.

Its not "everyone and anyone", it's "every domestic electricity account".  Could you just imagine a shared house with one electricity meter, but every individual deciding they could get £400?

throughtheblue

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throughtheblue said:

MWT said:

So... the £400 plan is still happening and additionally this has also been said...

...the government will set up a fund for those using heating oil, living in park homes or those on heat networks so that all UK consumers can benefit from “equivalent support”.

So the £400 will go to the landlord, but there may be help for those like you who do not have an energy account, but I have to say you are not in a clearly identifiable group so watch carefully to see if there is something you may need to register for...

If the rest of the plan is delivered as a discount to the unit price as stated, then the landlord can only charge you the discounted price, as long as that is being received, which may not be the case if the landlord is on a fixed tariff...

The Government hopes that there may also be discounts to the fixed tariffs after further discussion with suppliers...

Found this on the gov's website...
"If you pay for your electricity as part of your rent -

If your landlord has a domestic electricity contract with a licensed electricity supplier, and you pay for your electricity as part of your rent, your landlord may pass their discount on to you."

That reads like we won't be able to claim our own £400 grant and can only hope the landlord shares £200. Doesn't really seem like a fair scheme, where everyone and anyone regardless of circumstance will get £400 grant, but because we don't have a separate electricity account we won't be entitled. I wonder if their will be a phone line for these issues.

Its not "everyone and anyone", it's "every domestic electricity account".  Could you just imagine a shared house with one electricity meter, but every individual deciding they could get £400?

I will have a separate electricity meter, separate building, separate council tax and paying for the electricity I'm using, just not via my own account. In my situation, the scheme looks like a complete joke.

If you can prove that you live in a separate building, with separate council tax etc, and a meter, but you can't have access to an account because of some arbitrary reason then you should be able to receive £400 like the rest of the consumers. 

My situation is far from living in a shared house, so it's an irrelevant point and the scheme describes the stodgy thinking of British governments. 

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throughtheblue said:

Deleted_User said:

throughtheblue said:

MWT said:

So... the £400 plan is still happening and additionally this has also been said...

...the government will set up a fund for those using heating oil, living in park homes or those on heat networks so that all UK consumers can benefit from “equivalent support”.

So the £400 will go to the landlord, but there may be help for those like you who do not have an energy account, but I have to say you are not in a clearly identifiable group so watch carefully to see if there is something you may need to register for...

If the rest of the plan is delivered as a discount to the unit price as stated, then the landlord can only charge you the discounted price, as long as that is being received, which may not be the case if the landlord is on a fixed tariff...

The Government hopes that there may also be discounts to the fixed tariffs after further discussion with suppliers...

Found this on the gov's website...
"If you pay for your electricity as part of your rent -

If your landlord has a domestic electricity contract with a licensed electricity supplier, and you pay for your electricity as part of your rent, your landlord may pass their discount on to you."

That reads like we won't be able to claim our own £400 grant and can only hope the landlord shares £200. Doesn't really seem like a fair scheme, where everyone and anyone regardless of circumstance will get £400 grant, but because we don't have a separate electricity account we won't be entitled. I wonder if their will be a phone line for these issues.

Its not "everyone and anyone", it's "every domestic electricity account".  Could you just imagine a shared house with one electricity meter, but every individual deciding they could get £400?

I will have a separate electricity meter, separate building, separate council tax and paying for the electricity I'm using, just not via my own account. In my situation, the scheme looks like a complete joke.

If you can prove that you live in a separate building, with separate council tax etc, and a meter, but you can't have access to an account because of some arbitrary reason then you should be able to receive £400 like the rest of the consumers. 

My situation is far from living in a shared house, so it's an irrelevant point and the scheme describes the stodgy thinking of British governments. 

You mistake my point - I was replying to your general assertion that it's for "everyone and anyone".

In your specific case, I'm right behind you.  You should be a separately accounted for domestic connection and are only missing out because of an unusual topology of supply cables.  That clearly shouldn't have been the intention of the scheme and you have every right to make noise about it.