Fireangel smoke detectors

plumb1_2

FreeBear said:

plumb1_2 said: And rentals should has a Co2 detectors fitted if the have any gas appliance other than cookers/ovens

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) sensors, whilst they do exist, are not a requirement in any residential property. On the other hand, Carbon Monoxide (CO) can save lives if there is a faulty gas or solid fuel appliance.

Ya ur rite, the difference adding the 2 could be death. Now I must stop falling asleep in front of the gas fire.

BUFF

Mr.Generous said:

I fitted the 10yr battery type in several rentals, and they never lasted close to that. Now I just use std battery jobs, and fit a £2 simply Duracell about every 3 years.

if England goes down the same route as Scotland you may well in the future have to fit interlinked alarms that are either mains powered or have non-replaceable batteries. For anybody thinking about replacing detectors now with anything other than cheap ones it's maybe worth thinking ahead or you may have to replace your more expensive alarms in just a few years.

Apodemus

BUFF said:

Mr.Generous said:

I fitted the 10yr battery type in several rentals, and they never lasted close to that. Now I just use std battery jobs, and fit a £2 simply Duracell about every 3 years.

if England goes down the same route as Scotland you may well in the future have to fit interlinked alarms that are either mains powered or have non-replaceable batteries. For anybody thinking about replacing detectors now with anything other than cheap ones it's maybe worth thinking ahead or you may have to replace your more expensive alarms in just a few years.

The other thing to remember is that even if you opt for mains powered smoke detectors, they will probably still need renewing every ten years if that is the life-time of the ion-detection system.

Grumpy_chap

plumb1_2 said:

MalMonroe said

In the UK, most Fire Rescue Services offer a free home fire safety check, I had one and it was they (not just one but three gorgeous firemen!) who fitted our two smoke alarms. You could contact your local Fire Service and ask for the same. We didn't have to pay for the alarms, either. But don't tell everyone! I believe you can apply online, so it couldn't be easier. 

What waste of rate payers money, sending 3 men to fit smoke detectors, not to mention the cost of the appliance they drove in.
Yes this free service has been around for a few years, and abused by those who can afford to replace/fit there own. Someone disabled or on low income then that’s fine.
But sending 3 people is telling me there overstaffed, we’ve had them in our cul de sac blocking it with there appliance. No need when they have small vehicles galore.

Well, now, I think that sending an Appliance plus three people demonstrates that the Fire Service is not over-staffed.

There is a crew on standby, ready to respond to any emergency. 
To do so, that full crew including the appliance need to be together irrespective of what they are doing.
Then, if an emergency occurs, they can respond immediately from wherever they are and whatever they are doing.
If one person goes to collect some toilet roll for the Fire Station lavatory, they all have to go.
If one person goes to test a Hydrant in the street, they all have to go.
If one person goes to install a smoke alarm at an individual's house, they all have to go.

There are two alternatives to the whole crew plus appliance go:

• Fireman Sam cycles across town to install the smoke detector, resulting in delay if there is an emergency because the appliance plus balance of the crew are at the Fire Station.
• The whole crew plus appliance remain at the Fire Station on standby while another member of (non-emergency) staff in a car is driving around to fit smoke detectors.

Sending the fully crewed appliance does seem like the most cost-effective way to do this type of activity.

Ganga

As has been said the 10 year battery does not always last 10 years ,have replaced ours twice and normally get about 7-8 years but as it could be a life saver do not mind the cost.

Apodemus

Ganga said:

As has been said the 10 year battery does not always last 10 years ,have replaced ours twice and normally get about 7-8 years but as it could be a life saver do not mind the cost.

...But have you checked the life expectancy of the detection system itself?  By the time the second battery starts to fade, the ionisation detector could be four or five years past its design life.  Fair enough if you are doing regular smoke tests on the detection head, but most of us don't do that in our domestic premises.  

B0bbyEwing

plumb1_2 said:

MalMonroe said

In the UK, most Fire Rescue Services offer a free home fire safety check, I had one and it was they (not just one but three gorgeous firemen!) who fitted our two smoke alarms. You could contact your local Fire Service and ask for the same. We didn't have to pay for the alarms, either. But don't tell everyone! I believe you can apply online, so it couldn't be easier. 

What waste of rate payers money, sending 3 men to fit smoke detectors, not to mention the cost of the appliance they drove in.
Yes this free service has been around for a few years, and abused by those who can afford to replace/fit there own. Someone disabled or on low income then that’s fine.
But sending 3 people is telling me there overstaffed, we’ve had them in our cul de sac blocking it with there appliance. No need when they have small vehicles galore.

Hey that's the system. Don't get mad at the individual using the system, they didn't put it in place. They're just using it.

But then once you get mad at that system, there's so many more for you to get mad at that make no sense either.

Ganga

Apodemus said:

Ganga said:

As has been said the 10 year battery does not always last 10 years ,have replaced ours twice and normally get about 7-8 years but as it could be a life saver do not mind the cost.

...But have you checked the life expectancy of the detection system itself?  By the time the second battery starts to fade, the ionisation detector could be four or five years past its design life.  Fair enough if you are doing regular smoke tests on the detection head, but most of us don't do that in our domestic premises.  

We changed the whole unit twice as the battery is a sealed in unit and cannot be replaced.

plumb1_2

B0bbyEwing said:

plumb1_2 said:

MalMonroe said

In the UK, most Fire Rescue Services offer a free home fire safety check, I had one and it was they (not just one but three gorgeous firemen!) who fitted our two smoke alarms. You could contact your local Fire Service and ask for the same. We didn't have to pay for the alarms, either. But don't tell everyone! I believe you can apply online, so it couldn't be easier. 

What waste of rate payers money, sending 3 men to fit smoke detectors, not to mention the cost of the appliance they drove in.
Yes this free service has been around for a few years, and abused by those who can afford to replace/fit there own. Someone disabled or on low income then that’s fine.
But sending 3 people is telling me there overstaffed, we’ve had them in our cul de sac blocking it with there appliance. No need when they have small vehicles galore.

Hey that's the system. Don't get mad at the individual using the system, they didn't put it in place. They're just using it.

But then once you get mad at that system, there's so many more for you to get mad at that make no sense either.

Iam far from mad with anyone using the system, but as I said it should be for the needy.
The system is like that because of the fire brigade union. Much like the rail union etc. And neither affect me.
I worked with a bloke for over 10 yrs in the building trade, he left 20 yrs ago to become a fireman, he is now in the top 5 position (or above) of the whole of greater Manchester . I bump into him now and again and have a chat. And I am informed that working practices in the FB are very difficult to change. If your employed by the FB doesn’t go to say your a fire person, they employ maintenance teams.
Just because it’s the system doesn’t mean it’s correct, same with any job/industry 

Rodders53

Ionisation fire alarms are pretty much deprecated nowadays and will be hard to find from the major makers.  (Radioactive isotope issues when storing / shipping and also recycling).   
https://www.fireangel.co.uk/why-fireangel-is-moving-away-from-ionisation-alarms/

But all domestic smoke alarm types should be replaced every 10 years for other reasons than the depletion of the radioactive isotope in the ionisation ones:  https://www.fireangel.co.uk/your-smoke-alarm-needs-replacing-every-10-years-have-you-checked-the-date/